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Offline Infirmus

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Vigano's Interesting Big Oops
« on: September 08, 2024, 01:21:57 PM »
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    • Vigano believes Archbishop Lefebvre's excommunication was revoked, huge error due maybe to ignorance by not studying the docuмents by the Vatican.

    The SSPX keeps pushing the lifting making the ingnorant sheep believe all is okay but they do not use revoked.

    No wonder he went sede

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    https://www.wmreview.org/p/vigano-declaration

    Vigano declaration in response to Schism charges by the Vatican.

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    Fifty years ago, in that same Palace of the Holy Office, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre was summoned and accused of schism for rejecting Vatican II.
    His defense is mine; his words are mine; and his arguments are mine – arguments before which the Roman authorities could not condemn him for heresy, having to wait instead for him to consecrate bishops so as to have the pretext of declaring him schismatic and then revoking his excommunication when he was already dead. The scheme is repeated even after half a century has demonstrated Archbishop Lefebvre’s prophetic choice.
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    Offline 2Vermont

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    Re: Vigano's Interesting Big Oops
    « Reply #1 on: September 08, 2024, 02:12:27 PM »
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    • Quote from: Infirmus on September 08, 2024, 01:21:57 PM

    No wonder he went sede

    You've already been told: he's not sede.
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    Re: Vigano's Interesting Big Oops
    « Reply #2 on: September 08, 2024, 03:07:09 PM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on September 08, 2024, 02:12:27 PM
    You've already been told: he's not sede.
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    Last I heard he is Bennyvacantist, right? Since Benedict is dead, he is technically sedevacantist, but his ideas are fundamentally different from people that reject all the Vatican 2 popes.
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    Re: Vigano's Interesting Big Oops
    « Reply #3 on: September 08, 2024, 03:23:28 PM »
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    • Quote from: Yeti on September 08, 2024, 03:07:09 PM
    .

    Last I heard he is Bennyvacantist, right? Since Benedict is dead, he is technically sedevacantist, but his ideas are fundamentally different from people that reject all the Vatican 2 popes.
    Which is why he really isn't sedevacantist. He's like posters such as Catholic Knight.
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    Re: Vigano's Interesting Big Oops
    « Reply #4 on: September 08, 2024, 03:36:15 PM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on September 08, 2024, 02:12:27 PM
    You've already been told: he's not sede.
    Mmmmmmmm..........nope..he's a sede
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    Re: Vigano's Interesting Big Oops
    « Reply #5 on: September 08, 2024, 04:04:07 PM »
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    • Quote from: Infirmus on September 08, 2024, 03:36:15 PM
    Mmmmmmmm..........nope..he's a sede
    Only the person himself gets to decide whether or not he's a sede.
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    Re: Vigano's Interesting Big Oops
    « Reply #6 on: September 08, 2024, 04:07:28 PM »
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    • Quote from: Infirmus on September 08, 2024, 01:21:57 PM
    Vigano believes Archbishop Lefebvre's excommunication was revoked, huge error due maybe to ignorance by not studying the docuмents by the Vatican.
    All news reports said the excommunication of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre was lifted by Pope Benedict XVI.
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    Re: Vigano's Interesting Big Oops
    « Reply #7 on: September 08, 2024, 06:25:31 PM »
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    • Quote from: Cera on September 08, 2024, 04:07:28 PM
    All news reports said the excommunication of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre was lifted by Pope Benedict XVI.
    Okay Cera pay close attention to what I am asking you, " Please provide me with the Vatican docuмent that states the nullification or lifting of the excommunication  of Archbishop Lefebvre ". 
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    Re: Vigano's Interesting Big Oops
    « Reply #8 on: September 08, 2024, 06:42:05 PM »
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    • Quote from: Cera on September 08, 2024, 04:04:07 PM
    Only the person himself gets to decide whether or not he's a sede.
    He said Jorge Bergoglio is not the pope....need I say anything further?
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    Re: Vigano's Interesting Big Oops
    « Reply #9 on: September 08, 2024, 07:14:50 PM »
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    • The last several were not pope because they denied Jesus Christ as the only way to God our Father in heaven.

    Archbishop Lefebvre chose God instead of man.  He was Catholic.  May he rest in peace. 
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    Re: Vigano's Interesting Big Oops
    « Reply #10 on: September 08, 2024, 07:26:29 PM »
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    • Quote from: Cera on September 08, 2024, 04:07:28 PM
    All news reports said the excommunication of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre was lifted by Pope Benedict XVI.

    Somewhere on this board there is a letter that Sean Johnson got as an answer to his inquiry from the Vatican, and it clearly says that the excommunication of Abp. Lefebvre was not lifted.

    Actually, it seems impossible to me for it to happen, since you cannot "unexcommunicate" a dead person.

    If the Vatican people were really honest, they would declare that the excommunications were null. This can logically be done regarding the deceased.
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    Re: Vigano's Interesting Big Oops
    « Reply #11 on: September 08, 2024, 08:44:51 PM »
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    • Quote from: Cera on September 08, 2024, 04:07:28 PM
    All news reports said the excommunication of Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre was lifted by Pope Benedict XVI.
    Dear Cera
    You should also realize that the lifting of the excommunications were only for the 4 bishops and also it was not a declaration of nullity. It only removed the punishment not the guilt. Read the docuмents from the Vatican, they are plain as day.
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    Re: Vigano's Interesting Big Oops
    « Reply #12 on: September 08, 2024, 08:46:56 PM »
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    • Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on September 08, 2024, 07:14:50 PM
    The last several were not pope because they denied Jesus Christ as the only way to God our Father in heaven.

    Archbishop Lefebvre chose God instead of man.  He was Catholic.  May he rest in peace.
    What exactly are you trying to say?
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    Re: Vigano's Interesting Big Oops
    « Reply #13 on: September 08, 2024, 08:49:38 PM »
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    • Quote from: Giovanni Berto on September 08, 2024, 07:26:29 PM
    Somewhere on this board there is a letter that Sean Johnson got as an answer to his inquiry from the Vatican, and it clearly says that the excommunication of Abp. Lefebvre was not lifted.

    Actually, it seems impossible to me for it to happen, since you cannot "unexcommunicate" a dead person.

    If the Vatican people were really honest, they would declare that the excommunications were null. This can logically be done regarding the deceased.
    I remember that, totally corresponds to the official Vatican docuмents.
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    Re: Vigano's Interesting Big Oops
    « Reply #14 on: September 09, 2024, 10:23:39 AM »
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    • Quote from: Cera on September 08, 2024, 04:04:07 PM
    Only the person himself gets to decide whether or not he's a sede.
    And Vigano has not called himself sede. In fact, he seems to avoid the S word.
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