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Offline John Grace

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« Reply #15 on: July 02, 2012, 11:59:52 AM »
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    I took 2 screen shots of the Crow.   :light-saber:


    So? Do you honestly believe he will be removed from his positions? Not a notion of it happening.  

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    « Reply #16 on: July 02, 2012, 12:06:43 PM »
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  • Here is the "religion page" he "likes"...it's listed under his "interests"

    The Crow's religion page he "liked" on Facebook

    He has also "liked" a page which displays pornography....for obvious reasons of not scandalizing members I shall not post it here.  He is despicable.


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    « Reply #17 on: July 02, 2012, 12:21:02 PM »
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  • It's interesting to look again at the note issued at the request of Bishop Fellay in light of recent events.From May 2011

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    From the latest GB district newsletter:

    IGNIS ARDENS
    The Ignis Ardens website states that 'it is a Taditionalist Catholic forum with a pro-SSPX bias... but that 'this forum's support for SSPX is not to be taken as evidence of the SSPX's support for this forum.'
    The latter part of this statement is certainly true with regard to Ignis Ardens' involvement to date in a campaign which undermines the authority of the Society's General House.
    I refer to the section entitled 'Krahgate,' which, under the cover of anonymity, raises serious allegations against Menzingen's lawyer, Maximilian Krah, and, by extension, against the Superior General himself.
    Whilst this file, which apparently originated elsewhere, was recently removed at the initiative of the Ignis Ardens moderator, the damage caused will be much more difficult to repair given the public nature of the internet and the propensity for calumny and detraction to spread.
    In this regard Bishop Fellay does not exclude having recourse to judicial process, and this should serve a warning to those who think they can commit public slander via the internet with impunity.
    Father Paul Morgan."


    No allegations were ever raised against the Menzingen lawyer nor has it ever been stated 'Krahgate' is false.

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    « Reply #18 on: July 02, 2012, 12:31:50 PM »
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    Here is the "religion page" he "likes"...it's listed under his "interests"

    The Crow's religion page he "liked" on Facebook

    He has also "liked" a page which displays pornography....for obvious reasons of not scandalizing members I shall not post it here.  He is despicable.


    This was all docuмented and brought to the attention of the SSPX. Krah is on the board of a girls school in Germany.

    Very disturbingly, Diego related a scenario of a SSPX cleric claiming not to know who Krah was and we had recently a priest state it was normal for Krah to do this to enhance his career.

    The SSPX have been able to "explain away" a very disturbing episode in their Society history.

    Whilst it hasn't been confirmed if it indeed it was Fr F Laisney SSPX who said "He is one of our faithful", has any effort been made to remove this Krah?

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    « Reply #19 on: July 02, 2012, 12:37:08 PM »
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    It's interesting to look again at the note issued at the request of Bishop Fellay in light of recent events.From May 2011

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    From the latest GB district newsletter:

    IGNIS ARDENS
    The Ignis Ardens website states that 'it is a Taditionalist Catholic forum with a pro-SSPX bias... but that 'this forum's support for SSPX is not to be taken as evidence of the SSPX's support for this forum.'
    The latter part of this statement is certainly true with regard to Ignis Ardens' involvement to date in a campaign which undermines the authority of the Society's General House.
    I refer to the section entitled 'Krahgate,' which, under the cover of anonymity, raises serious allegations against Menzingen's lawyer, Maximilian Krah, and, by extension, against the Superior General himself.
    Whilst this file, which apparently originated elsewhere, was recently removed at the initiative of the Ignis Ardens moderator, the damage caused will be much more difficult to repair given the public nature of the internet and the propensity for calumny and detraction to spread.
    In this regard Bishop Fellay does not exclude having recourse to judicial process, and this should serve a warning to those who think they can commit public slander via the internet with impunity.
    Father Paul Morgan."


    No allegations were ever raised against the Menzingen lawyer nor has it ever been stated 'Krahgate' is false.


    As stated IA is not even an official SSPX website so perhaps Fr Morgan was under duress when issuing that note. It's more a case of Bishop Fellay and Max not liking what is written about them than allegations been made. IA was obviously meant to be a scapegoat.'Krahgate' remains on Fisheaters and non English language fora so obviously IA were to be made examples of and lamentably they removed the file. I still feel they should have stood their ground against the bullies.

    With a difference between legal and lawful, I am of the understanding a request was made to have it removed. If I had been Clare, I would have refused to remove the file and allowed it to go to court. Just my personal view here.


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    « Reply #20 on: July 02, 2012, 02:11:29 PM »
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    It's interesting to look again at the note issued at the request of Bishop Fellay in light of recent events.From May 2011

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    From the latest GB district newsletter:

    IGNIS ARDENS
    The Ignis Ardens website states that 'it is a Taditionalist Catholic forum with a pro-SSPX bias... but that 'this forum's support for SSPX is not to be taken as evidence of the SSPX's support for this forum.'
    The latter part of this statement is certainly true with regard to Ignis Ardens' involvement to date in a campaign which undermines the authority of the Society's General House.
    I refer to the section entitled 'Krahgate,' which, under the cover of anonymity, raises serious allegations against Menzingen's lawyer, Maximilian Krah, and, by extension, against the Superior General himself.
    Whilst this file, which apparently originated elsewhere, was recently removed at the initiative of the Ignis Ardens moderator, the damage caused will be much more difficult to repair given the public nature of the internet and the propensity for calumny and detraction to spread.
    In this regard Bishop Fellay does not exclude having recourse to judicial process, and this should serve a warning to those who think they can commit public slander via the internet with impunity.
    Father Paul Morgan."


    No allegations were ever raised against the Menzingen lawyer nor has it ever been stated 'Krahgate' is false.


    As stated IA is not even an official SSPX website so perhaps Fr Morgan was under duress when issuing that note. It's more a case of Bishop Fellay and Max not liking what is written about them than allegations been made. IA was obviously meant to be a scapegoat.'Krahgate' remains on Fisheaters and non English language fora so obviously IA were to be made examples of and lamentably they removed the file. I still feel they should have stood their ground against the bullies.

    With a difference between legal and lawful, I am of the understanding a request was made to have it removed. If I had been Clare, I would have refused to remove the file and allowed it to go to court. Just my personal view here.


    John, this was a glaring example of the new aggressive and worldly policy of Menzingen.  It was unjust and thuggish but, it apparently it worked quite well sending so many scattering and into hiding.  Fearing to even mention the name of Mr. Krah or the enshrouded business dealings of the same and the Superior.

    They never had to authenticate the alleged calumys or so called slanders.

    So very reminiscent of those well worn tactics of another group of inciting a fear of that group,(read the bible), and a fearful dread of being labeled as having evil intention.  Sort of like being called an anti....something or other.

    There is in all likelyhood a smoking gun or key to this whole scandalous drama but it has been made unaccessible due to guile and cleverness.

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    « Reply #21 on: July 02, 2012, 03:14:17 PM »
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  • Both IA and the UK district have tried to put a lid on the Krah affair. As long as the lawyer remains a blue-eyed boy of Menzingen, this will remain the case no matter what happens to their home-grown Bp. Williamson. But this revelation has to be a a vivid sign of a big policy change on the part of the leadership. What will happen to the constant mantra of the Society as regards the centuries-old malevolent Judaic and Freemasonic influence on the Church? Will it go the way of Vatican 2 criticism and be watered down until it disappears? Worse, be replaced with new mantra exposing schism and anti-semitism among traditionalists? Krah is leading the way.

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    « Reply #22 on: July 02, 2012, 03:52:38 PM »
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    Both IA and the UK district have tried to put a lid on the Krah affair. As long as the lawyer remains a blue-eyed boy of Menzingen, this will remain the case no matter what happens to their home-grown Bp. Williamson. But this revelation has to be a a vivid sign of a big policy change on the part of the leadership. What will happen to the constant mantra of the Society as regards the centuries-old malevolent Judaic and Freemasonic influence on the Church? Will it go the way of Vatican 2 criticism and be watered down until it disappears? Worse, be replaced with new mantra exposing schism and anti-semitism among traditionalists? Krah is leading the way.


    You have predicted a most possible future.


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    « Reply #23 on: July 02, 2012, 03:58:49 PM »
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    Both IA and the UK district have tried to put a lid on the Krah affair. As long as the lawyer remains a blue-eyed boy of Menzingen, this will remain the case no matter what happens to their home-grown Bp. Williamson. But this revelation has to be a a vivid sign of a big policy change on the part of the leadership. What will happen to the constant mantra of the Society as regards the centuries-old malevolent Judaic and Freemasonic influence on the Church? Will it go the way of Vatican 2 criticism and be watered down until it disappears? Worse, be replaced with new mantra exposing schism and anti-semitism among traditionalists? Krah is leading the way.


    The SSPX removed articles on the Jєωs from their websites. Some articles by Fr Denis Fahey, whom Bishop Tissier and others have regularly encouraged others to read. The writings of Fr Fahey contained an Imprimatur and were never placed on the Index.


    Let's not forget what happened to 'Faith Imperiled by Reason: Benedict XVI's Hermeneutics'.  

    So nobody should be too surprised at the direction Bishop Fellay was going in. Quite alot of the sermons atleast here in Ireland were very stage managed, preparing the way, spoon feeding type sermons.

    A few years ago a priest stationed here brought the SSPX youth group to Rome for a pilgrimage and recently when Cardinal Burke visited Ireland he told a SSPX priest to "keep up the good work". The priest he said this to is pro-agreement.

    It was necessary to stab Bishop Williamson in the back because those 30 pieces of Vatican Silver were so appealing. It always disgusts me to sell out your principles to get a deal.




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    « Reply #24 on: July 02, 2012, 11:54:05 PM »
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  • It's very unnerving that the SSPX leadership has given him so much power and control.  It will be difficult to wrench themselves from his hold.  He even looks sinister.  But maybe it was just a bad day.
     :shocked:  
    But one thing is necessary. Mary hath chosen the best part, which shall not be taken away from her.
    Luke 10:42

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    « Reply #25 on: July 03, 2012, 12:48:10 AM »
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  • Quote from: Diego
    Expectedly Krah's Facebook page has been scabbed. Who has screen captures?


    That should be "scrubbed," but the spell-checker made a substitution I did not notice until too late to edit.

    On a Mac Command-Shift-3 and Command-Shift-4 give full screen and selective screen captures respectively. On other PCs "I dunno."


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    « Reply #26 on: July 03, 2012, 02:46:27 PM »
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  • What Archbishop Lefebvre said of those who are doing what Bishop Fellay is doing:

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    And we must not waver for one moment either in not being with those who are in the process of betraying us. Some people are always admiring the grass in the neighbor's field. Instead of looking to their friends, to the Church's defenders, to those fighting on the battlefield, they look to our enemies on the other side. "After all, we must be charitable, we must be kind, we must not be divisive, after all, they are celebrating the Tridentine Mass, they are not as bad as everyone says" —but THEY ARE BETRAYING US —betraying us! They are shaking hands with the Church's destroyers. They are shaking hands with people holding modernist and liberal ideas condemned by the Church. So they are doing the devil's work.



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    « Reply #27 on: July 04, 2012, 12:52:28 PM »
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    It's very unnerving that the SSPX leadership has given him so much power and control.  It will be difficult to wrench themselves from his hold.  He even looks sinister.  But maybe it was just a bad day.
     :shocked:  


    Your fears are not without merit. We must acknowledge that the people with whom Mr. Krah are associated are international criminals.  Tel Aviv University is no more than a Mossad front which produces many Zionist operatives at all levels.

    It is a hotbed of revolutionaries and intelligence activity. Objectively, this places the SSPX in association with the myriad of criminal activities of these groups. The implications are beyond serious. They are disasterous.

    With Mr.Krah placing himself publicly with such approving proximity to a group which has been docuмented to have engaged in murder, assasination, drug trafficking, the sex trade, terrorism, and many other heinous activities, it is entirely baffling as to why Bishop Fellay has not immediately distanced the Society from him.

    This is a very grave situation and one which must be forced into the light of day.

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    « Reply #28 on: July 04, 2012, 01:06:32 PM »
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    it is entirely baffling as to why Bishop Fellay has not immediately distanced the Society from him.


    I'm not baffled as to why Bishop Fellay hasn't distanced the Society from Krah but am more baffled by the indifference shown by those attending the chapels though being honest what can people do. The SSPX must be more pro-Jєωιѕн than they would like people to believe.Why did they remove articles about Jєωs and treat a Bishop who told the truth about the 'h0Ɩ0cαųst' in such a manner?

    I once had an angry phone call because I suggested people were stupid.

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    « Reply #29 on: July 04, 2012, 01:59:59 PM »
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    it is entirely baffling as to why Bishop Fellay has not immediately distanced the Society from him.


    I'm not baffled as to why Bishop Fellay hasn't distanced the Society from Krah but am more baffled by the indifference shown by those attending the chapels though being honest what can people do. The SSPX must be more pro-Jєωιѕн than they would like people to believe.Why did they remove articles about Jєωs and treat a Bishop who told the truth about the 'h0Ɩ0cαųst' in such a manner?

    I once had an angry phone call because I suggested people were stupid.


    Actually John, ignorant is more accurate. With some it is deliberate, others have been socially re-engineered to the point of manifesting the symptoms of stupid. I think that a lot of the SSPX priests are ignorant of the mentioned realities. I do notice that they as a rule do not mention it.
    In all the sermons against the deal, not once has anyone addressed this manifest scandal. There again, another mystery?