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Offline trento

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Re: New Resistance Bishop- ELEISON COMMENTS - Fr Ballini
« Reply #15 on: January 05, 2023, 08:50:27 PM »
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    • Quote from: isoquote on January 05, 2023, 05:09:12 PM
    Who says that there aren’t other privately consecrated bishops, and conditionally ordained priests….?

    Of course there will be, but we'd stay clear from such "secret clergy".
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    Re: New Resistance Bishop- ELEISON COMMENTS - Fr Ballini
    « Reply #16 on: January 05, 2023, 08:59:45 PM »
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    • From what I have seen and heard of him in the past, Father Ballini seemed like a good and devout priest.  

    I have hopes for Ireland having him as a bishop and Father Chazal seems to support him and think we'll of him.  (I noticed he shared a post today about his being Resistance Bishop #5).

    And as for the "consecrating in secret"...  It may have caused less drama to have made it more public, but I can understand why it may have been kept more quiet.  There is SO MUCH drama in the traditional movement these days.  And...  Apparently Father Ballini made several enemies during COVID who would probably have tried to stop the Consecration from happening if they could have and knew beforehand.


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    Re: New Resistance Bishop- ELEISON COMMENTS - Fr Ballini
    « Reply #17 on: January 05, 2023, 09:34:16 PM »
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    • Quote from: isoquote on January 05, 2023, 05:09:12 PM
    Who says that there aren’t other privately consecrated bishops, and conditionally ordained priests….?
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    Yeah, this is a good point. I found myself wondering the same thing. If there's a priest in Ireland who was consecrated two years ago, there are probably other priests who are secret bishops as well. :confused:
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    Re: New Resistance Bishop- ELEISON COMMENTS - Fr Ballini
    « Reply #18 on: January 05, 2023, 10:00:19 PM »
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    • Bishop Richard Williamson consecrated Fr Ballini.
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    Re: New Resistance Bishop- ELEISON COMMENTS - Fr Ballini
    « Reply #19 on: January 05, 2023, 11:44:51 PM »
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    Re: New Resistance Bishop- ELEISON COMMENTS - Fr Ballini
    « Reply #20 on: January 05, 2023, 11:58:39 PM »
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    • Quote from: trento on January 05, 2023, 11:09:13 PM
    I also think it was +Williamson that consecrated Fr. Ballini. You need to read the OP properly again.
    Indeed. You are right.
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    Hence the consecration in private of Fr Giacomo Ballini, here in England on January 14, 2021.

    So I wonder why he wrote

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    Early in the New Year there is due to be ordained, on the Emerald Isle another priest for Catholic Tradition, by a bishop who is well-known in that country as a priest but not as a bishop.

    This means that the Irish were not aware that he had been consecrated 2 years ago? Real cloak and dagger stuff, no?
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    Re: New Resistance Bishop- ELEISON COMMENTS - Fr Ballini
    « Reply #21 on: January 06, 2023, 12:50:30 AM »
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    • Quote from: Nadir on January 05, 2023, 11:58:39 PM
    Indeed. You are right.
    So I wonder why he wrote

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    Early in the New Year there is due to be ordained, on the Emerald Isle another priest for Catholic Tradition, by a bishop who is well-known in that country as a priest but not as a bishop.


    This means that the Irish were not aware that he had been consecrated 2 years ago? Real cloak and dagger stuff, no?

    It means Ballini will ordain a priest in Ireland in somewhere in the New Year (as that EC was dated December 31, 2022).
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    Re: New Resistance Bishop- ELEISON COMMENTS - Fr Ballini
    « Reply #22 on: January 06, 2023, 12:52:04 AM »
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    • Nadir,

    Let me clarify a couple things for you.

    1. Bp. Williamson consecrated Fr. Ballini to the episcopate. Two years ago.

    2. As for these sentences: "Early in the New Year there is due to be ordained, on the Emerald Isle another priest for Catholic Tradition [who recently studied for the priesthood], by a bishop [Bp. Ballini] who is well-known in that country as a priest but not as a bishop."

    YES, obviously this is the big news, that Bp. Ballini was consecrated. Yes, it was done 2 years ago.

    My understanding is that there is some serious and effective persecution of the Resistance (and +Williamson in particular) outside CathInfo, especially in Europe. I was a bit shocked to find that out, since I don't see any of that around here.
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    Re: New Resistance Bishop- ELEISON COMMENTS - Fr Ballini
    « Reply #23 on: January 06, 2023, 12:57:40 AM »
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    • Quote from: mcollier on January 05, 2023, 07:07:21 PM
    Why can’t I down vote Ladislaus on this thread? Every time I try I get kicked off Cathinfo…

    (I normally agree with a lot of what Ladislaus posts. But on this thread it’s garbage).

    1. You're not getting kicked *off CathInfo* for anything unless you do something to get yourself banned. Are you saying you've been banned before?

    2. You can't down vote anybody *at all* so stop making it sound like a conspiracy. You haven't reached the requisite number of posts yet.

    3. Instead of anonymous sniping of Ladislaus, how about you write a POST and RESPOND like a man, telling Ladislaus to his face what you disagree with him about?
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    Re: New Resistance Bishop- ELEISON COMMENTS - Fr Ballini
    « Reply #24 on: January 06, 2023, 01:01:02 AM »
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    • Quote from: PAT317 on January 05, 2023, 07:31:49 PM
    Matthew made an algorithm whose purpose is supposed to keep a troll from coming on the forum & going on a downvote binge.  The problem is, there is a glitch in the system, whereby some members can't be downvoted at all, or barely at all (e.g. Ladislaus, but not only him), or at least, can't be downvoted by certain members.  There are a handful of posters I am totally unable to downvote, and I know that is true of some other members, and none of us would qualify for "already downvoted the poster too often" status.

    I'm willing to look into this glitch, if anyone could come forward with specific examples. If there is a real bona fide error of any sort in the system, I need to fix it.

    I look into all reports and e-mails people send in. So far, I haven't heard or received anything. I haven't seen a single, proven case of the downvote system working "not as designed". Just occasional posts like this one, which are always vague and non-specific. OR, someone says "I can't downvote Ladislaus" when they can't even up/down vote yet, due to newness of account. When I see the REASON for something, it's not a glitch. The system is working.
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    Re: New Resistance Bishop- ELEISON COMMENTS - Fr Ballini
    « Reply #25 on: January 06, 2023, 01:08:27 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on January 05, 2023, 06:16:37 PM
    Two bishops in every garage now :laugh1:

    They're firing up the presses at The Angelus as we speak for a reworking of Father Cekada's old article.

    I notice no one brought up this question, and even you brought it up in jest. The question of "Did we need another bishop?"

    I think it's quite reasonable. 4 bishops for Tradition, for the whole world, is not excessive. Bp. Faure, Bp. Thomas Aquinas, Bp. Zendejas, and now Bp. Ballini. Bp. Williamson is finding it harder and harder to travel, and he's close to forced retirement on account of age. He was born in 1940 remember.

    And "Father Time" is not the only one working to "ground" Bp. Williamson. Enemies of all stripes: agents of globalism, modernism,  Pfeifferism, and/or (((you know who))), have conspired to keep the good Bishop out of many countries. So there's that as well.
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    Re: New Resistance Bishop- ELEISON COMMENTS - Fr Ballini
    « Reply #26 on: January 06, 2023, 04:11:35 AM »
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    • Quote from: Matthew on January 06, 2023, 12:52:04 AM
    Nadir,

    Let me clarify a couple things for you.

    1. Bp. Williamson consecrated Fr. Ballini to the episcopate. Two years ago.

    2. As for these sentences: "Early in the New Year there is due to be ordained, on the Emerald Isle another priest for Catholic Tradition [who recently studied for the priesthood], by a bishop [Bp. Ballini] who is well-known in that country as a priest but not as a bishop."

    YES, obviously this is the big news, that Bp. Ballini was consecrated. Yes, it was done 2 years ago.

    My understanding is that there is some serious and effective persecution of the Resistance (and +Williamson in particular) outside CathInfo, especially in Europe. I was a bit shocked to find that out, since I don't see any of that around here.
    Thank you, Matthew.
    yes, there is serious persecution, as the dear Carmelite sisters have experienced. They must have been a great support to Bishop Ballini these two years.
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    Re: New Resistance Bishop- ELEISON COMMENTS - Fr Ballini
    « Reply #27 on: January 06, 2023, 04:56:28 AM »
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    • For a little local knowledge from Ireland here. I think if you remember Bp. Ballini was consecrated because of lockdowns. Ireland had the most severe lockdowns and was difficult for anti-vaxxers to enter the country. With Bp. Ballini’s project seminarians were due to be ordained and with possibly even more severe lockdowns and Ireland’s geographical isolation the seminarians needed a bishop close by in case we were shut off from everyone.
    The other thing as to keeping it secret was because of media persecution. I will leave it at that. I may incur the wrath of His Lordship.

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    Re: New Resistance Bishop- ELEISON COMMENTS - Fr Ballini
    « Reply #28 on: January 06, 2023, 07:08:38 AM »
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    • Quote from: ark of covenant on January 06, 2023, 04:56:28 AM
    For a little local knowledge from Ireland here. I think if you remember Bp. Ballini was consecrated because of lockdowns. Ireland had the most severe lockdowns and was difficult for anti-vaxxers to enter the country. With Bp. Ballini’s project seminarians were due to be ordained and with possibly even more severe lockdowns and Ireland’s geographical isolation the seminarians needed a bishop close by in case we were shut off from everyone.
    The other thing as to keeping it secret was because of media persecution. I will leave it at that. I may incur the wrath of His Lordship.

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    I was just thinking that "two years ago" we were still in the midst of COVID.  This may be a big reason why it was done secretly.

    Also, there have been calls for more bishops and priests right here on CI, so I would think that most here would consider this a good thing.  Having said that, I can certainly understand the concern regarding the secrecy given the questions among Trads about other historical (or recent) traditional consecrations.  
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    Re: New Resistance Bishop- ELEISON COMMENTS - Fr Ballini
    « Reply #29 on: January 06, 2023, 07:37:10 AM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on January 06, 2023, 07:08:38 AM
    I was just thinking that "two years ago" we were still in the midst of COVID.  This may be a big reason why it was done secretly.

    Also, there have been calls for more bishops and priests right here on CI, so I would think that most here would consider this a good thing.  Having said that, I can certainly understand the concern regarding the secrecy given the questions among Trads about other historical (or recent) traditional consecrations. 
    Yes, it is a bit unexpected, but +Williamson removes all doubt, at least for me.
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