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THE RECUSANT - 8 - July 2013
« Reply #15 on: July 30, 2013, 09:17:36 AM »
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    THE RECUSANT - 8 - July 2013
    « Reply #16 on: July 30, 2013, 11:36:54 AM »
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  • Issue 9 was just sent out today. Hopefully EcclesiaMilitans can put the pdf up on Cathinfo tonight...


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    THE RECUSANT - 8 - July 2013
    « Reply #17 on: July 30, 2013, 10:59:51 PM »
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    If Ed from TheRecusant could take a look and see if he doesn't mind my few deviations from his very own words, that would be great.


    Fine by me. You carry on, good job!
    Thanks for the encouragement, by the way. Such high praise almost makes me nervous that one of these days we'll slip up or get something seriously wrong and lose everyone's confidence and high regard...


    Muito obrigado, muchas gracias y danke schön!   :cowboy:


    It seems to me that you don't need to worry too much about making
    "serious mistakes."  You have the protection of the saints, after all.  
    Just start each day with a serious prayer, like to St. Maximilian Kolbe,
    who was as you know, a publisher of a very important newsletter.  

    Or St. John Bosco, who taught his boys to learn the printing business.

    Or St. Anthony of Padua, the Storehouse of Sacred Scripture and the
    Hammer of Heretics, 200 years before there were any printing presses.

    Or St. Padre Pio, or St. Philomena, or, of course, Our Blessed Mother,
    saints for all necessities.  

    And don't forget, Sancte Pie Decime, glorioso patrone, ora pro nobis!


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    THE RECUSANT - 8 - July 2013
    « Reply #18 on: July 30, 2013, 11:05:11 PM »
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    Issue 9 was just sent out today. Hopefully EcclesiaMilitans can put the pdf up on Cathinfo tonight...



    Wait a minute!!  I'm not even done with Issue 8 and you're already
    putting out issue 9!! Yikes!  

    HEY, if anyone has a comment on #9, please put it in the thread
    for #9
    , okay??  

    {pant - pant - pant  --  I'm scrambling to keep up with you, Ed!}


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    THE RECUSANT - 8 - July 2013
    « Reply #19 on: July 31, 2013, 11:04:58 AM »
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    For those who may have missed it, Fr. Chazal's Asia Report, which
    was commensurate with the London Conference being covered by
    this Recusant #8  ~ This was in Latest News area of
    TheRecusant.com 2 wks. before this issue #8 became available,
    and now it's found on pp.17-18 of #8.:

    Post
    ~ (from Resistance Writings thread)
    Quote from: Neil Obstat
    Source ~ TheRecusant.com Latest News area

    posted June 18, 2013 at 2:50 PM  (date of posting, not date of Asian Report)


    by Fr. Francois Chazal


    ASIA REPORT  [I mistakenly put "asian" in the source post version]

    Dear Fr Pfeiffer

    Thanks for waiting so long; as i was preaching a one man show retreat in Tagαytay... and i am not like Josey Wales, capable to preach a whole retreat, carry the sollicitude of all the Churches, run a worlwide resistance network and spiritualdirectionize lost souls on the otherside of the hemisphere via cell phone.

     

    Bishop Williamson trip in Asia was a shot in the arm for all centers. He saw 400 people, gave 52 confirmations, lots of speeches, consecrated two Chalices and his good humor, punch lines and british touch were totally enjoyed by everyone. He is up and running, but I agree with you, his fourth piston is yet to fire. but the fact that we discussed so long on the issue demonstrates that at least he is not irritated by the question and expresses a willingness to understand that if he departs this world, leaving us orphans, either his soul is lost or we don't need sacraments. "You are almost making me a Christian"... did he tell me as i was piling arguments sky high. Fr de Tanouarn, a prince among our french liberals, says he will not do it; I think it is an omen to the contrary.

    As a consequence i feel fully exonerated from the obligation to come to Virginia. I have done my part. But, could you please give him a copy of "Gods and Generals" as a birthday gift, or at least play Stonewall's Virginia speech on a big screen, saying: "Just as we, would never march into any other place, and novusordoize other people, so we would never allow anybody to march into our place, and novusordoize our people!"

     

    The Korean Group is growing; 40 were present for the Confirmation on Sunday. The next Sunday mass after the Bishop's visit, the chapel was almost full, and plenty young with new faces, but i cannot tell if we are going to get back to pre-2012-crisis levels in Korea.

    In the Philippines, the Manila ceremonies at Emmy Cortez' went very well for the little group. Again, the house of Julie Cordova is now too small for Sunday Mass. We have to look for another place, all the while the Tanay group is calling us, thanks to Fr Suelo. Manila area is then 100 souls, but i think the XSPX is going to counterattack in Tanay. Fr Suelo says they will hold. The coming of Fr Suelo is the key outcome of the Bishop's visit in Manila. If he continues like that, other soldiers are going to join. For my part i am immensely relieved by this one good old fighting priest. Fr Suelo is as old school as old school can be, as you know so well.

    In Leyte 150 people showed up in Maasin, they came also from Santa Cruz, Sogod, Ormoc and Hindang. The Bato people have been totally brainwashed and call us schismatics, like Fr Laisney (who, by the way, refuses to reply to "L'illusion Liberale II" and calls me insane). His Lordship really liked his stay, it was like vacations for him, walking by the sea shore and enjoying my outdoor chess defeat at the hands of Fr Suelo. We had a procession of the Blessed Sacrament down the streets of Maasin, with plenty of missing liturgical items and rubrics, but the Good Lord understand that we come from almost zero. His Lordship looked in the Maasin situation and concludes the same as us: high handedness on good people that should have not be molested or scandalized.

    Then we crossed to Dagohoy in Bohol, to a group that has been traditionnal for 20 years, but that was never visited by a bishop for confirmations. They were 40, 13 of them confirmands. The Bishop really liked that little chapel, in the middle of nowhere, and of course our main man, Romeo, was absent! Philippinos will be Philippinos! I wish he could have met Loyd also, the backup man!

    Then we crossed to Cebu and met 50 people, half of them so late that those among them who needed it could not receive confirmation. Ramses did a great work. We were in a hurry, but the Bishop gave three speeches (because of the late comers), breaking spears with attorney Bakalso, whom i still respect very much. I also brought the Bishop to Lola Bertha, who was a bit confused because she is being blocked from letting the bishop that blessed the chapel on her property celebrate the Mass and Confirmations ten years later. But again, the Bishop was happy to see her and told her it was all right and that he understood the situation. I am going to begin to give Sunday Masses for Cebu, thanks to the flex given by Fr Suelo, whose health is improving just as we make him move around. The confinement in his room, day after day, in Manila, appears to be the cause of his lung problems. To be confirmed, though. I cross my fingers.

    Another thing worthy of note; His Lordship told us to do all we could for the three or four aspirants to the Priesthood; then he went down and blessed the future house in Batangas. It should open in September. But if candidates can be shipped over to you, that would be still a solution that i would prefer, because there is not enough of us, (even if Fr Kramer comes for a few months), to train them fully. The Bishop told me to teach them the elements: Latin, Scripture, Encyclicals, History and English. No spirituality. Nothing going in to their heads, the total opposite of the Castle in Spain in Virginia. I really trust that you are going to do the same with the Seminary on the Hillbelly, under the laughs of the fancy clerics of our time. I am ready, as promised, to give you three months in three installments per year to help you in that task, and if i get a third priest for East Asia, whithout requesting you to swap your Mass circuits with me, even if it would be best. everybody is waiting for you.

    Then we flew to Singapore, for 20 people, mostly from the Yeo Clan. They were very good and talked at length with His Lordship. He took a good 48 hours rest, just as we went to admire the glory of Babylon the Great. As it is my custom, I read him the corresponding chapters of the Apocalypse from the top of the Sands Hotel and Casino, the craziest babylonic place that i know of. We also had some tea at the Raffle's Hotel, a brilliant relic of some forgotten power's past.

    The key people of the Malaysia group being abroad, i cancelled the visit of the Bishop, but they are going to receive monthly mass starting July. We also omitted Japan (15 souls), Iloilo (20 people yesterday), and other small centers together with the new groups that are calling us now and that i have not started to visit myself.

    The news in India is good, Fr Valan is indestructible, Fr Pancras is joining the fray nicely, and preparations for Australia are almost complete. Ils ne passeront pas!

     Come in November.

    In Iesu et Maria,

    Francois Chazal sspx-mc

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    THE RECUSANT - 8 - July 2013
    « Reply #20 on: July 31, 2013, 01:43:23 PM »
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    Now, if anyone's interested, my comments {in braces}:

    ASIA REPORT

    Dear Fr Pfeiffer

    Thanks for waiting so long; as i was preaching a one man show retreat in Tagαytay... and i am not like Josey Wales, capable to preach a whole retreat, carry the sollicitude of all the Churches, run a worlwide resistance network and spiritualdirectionize lost souls on the otherside of the hemisphere via cell phone.



    Bishop Williamson trip in Asia was a shot in the arm for all centers. He saw 400 people, gave 52 confirmations, lots of speeches, consecrated two Chalices and his good humor, punch lines and british touch were totally enjoyed by everyone. He is up and running, but I agree with you, his fourth piston is yet to fire. but the fact that we discussed so long on the issue demonstrates that at least he is not irritated by the question and expresses a willingness to understand that if he departs this world, leaving us orphans, either his soul is lost or we don't need sacraments. "You are almost making me a Christian"... did he tell me as i was piling arguments sky high. Fr de Tanouarn, a prince among our french liberals, says he will not do it; I think it is an omen to the contrary.


    {We will know that +W's forth piston has begun to
    fire when we hear the announcement that there will be
    Episcopal Consecrations imminent.  It seems to me that
    the French Liberals are afraid of +W consecrating
    Fr. Chazal bishop.
     It seems to me that if +W were to
    do so, it could easily be the spark that ignites the
    Resistance in France, the "Eldest Daughter of the Church,"
    and, furthermore, if this were to happen, it would be EGG
    ON THE FACE of +TdM if he would persist in his current
    posture of a mugwump,* a.k.a., fence sitting, ambivalent,
    indecisive, tepid, lukewarm and halting. -- IMHO
    *A mugwump is one who sits on a fence, with his mug on
    one side and his wump on the other.}



    As a consequence i feel fully exonerated from the obligation to come to Virginia. I have done my part. But, could you please give him a copy of "Gods and Generals" as a birthday gift, or at least play Stonewall's Virginia speech on a big screen, saying: "Just as we, would never march into any other place, and novusordoize other people, so we would never allow anybody to march into our place, and novusordoize our people!"


    {This allusion to "Stonewall's Virginia speech" seems
    to have a typo init, but I'm not sure where it is - should
    there be no comma after "Just as we...?" The reference is
    to Stonewall Jackson's speech in which he is reported to
    have said, "Just as we would not send any of our soldiers
    to march in other states and tyrannize other people, so will
    we never allow the armies of others to march into our states
    and tyrannize our people."
    }



    The Korean Group is growing; 40 were present for the Confirmation on Sunday. The next Sunday mass after the Bishop's visit, the chapel was almost full, and plenty young with new faces, but i cannot tell if we are going to get back to pre-2012-crisis levels in Korea.


    {This seems to say that before the SSPX crisis in 2012, the
    attendance of SSPX Faithful in Korea was far greater than it
    is today, after the crisis.Does anyone here at CI know about
    this state of affairs?  Where can I find more stories about the
    faithful in Korea?}



    In the Philippines, the Manila ceremonies at Emmy Cortez' went very well for the little group. Again, the house of Julie Cordova is now too small for Sunday Mass. We have to look for another place, all the while the Tanay group is calling us, thanks to Fr Suelo. Manila area is then 100 souls, but i think the XSPX is going to counterattack in Tanay. Fr Suelo says they will hold. The coming of Fr Suelo is the key outcome of the Bishop's visit in Manila. If he continues like that, other soldiers are going to join. For my part i am immensely relieved by this one good old fighting priest. Fr Suelo is as old school as old school can be, as you know so well.


    {I have never heard of this Fr. Suelo!  Who is he?  Where
    has he been?  Where did he come from?  Who are his faithful?  
    Did he ever say the Newmass?  What is the story of his fight
    for the Faith?  Did he ever meet ABL?  What other priests
    have worked in the mission field with him?  What is his
    background?  What is his native language?  How many languages
    does he speak?  Did he ever deal with Rome or local ordinaries
    that is, NovusOrdo-ordinaries? (NovusOrdinaries?)  What is his
    story?  Has he written an autobiography?  Where can I find
    information about him?}



    In Leyte 150 people showed up in Maasin, they came also from Santa Cruz, Sogod, Ormoc and Hindang. The Bato people have been totally brainwashed and call us schismatics, like Fr Laisney (who, by the way, refuses to reply to "L'illusion Liberale II" and calls me insane).


    {Very telling statement!  We have a copy of this "L'illusion Liberale II"
    in our Resistance Writings.  However, it was curiously MISSING from
    there until I added it.  It is very long (compared to other such letters)
    and therefore, I have to wonder:

    Does Fr. Laisney presume that he can get away with not responding
    to it because it is so 'long'that most of the faithful won't bother
    to read it????
    }


    His Lordship really liked his stay, it was like [a vacation] for him, walking by the sea shore and enjoying my outdoor chess defeat at the hands of Fr Suelo. We had a procession of the Blessed Sacrament down the streets of Maasin, with plenty of missing liturgical items and rubrics, but the Good Lord understands that we come from almost zero. His Lordship looked in the Maasin situation and concludes the same as us: high handedness on good people that should have not be molested or scandalized.  


    {Uhh... the insult of high handedness had been used upon good
    people who should not have been molested or scandalized?  Is
    this Maasin situation explained by anyone?  Have you heard about
    it?  What has been going on there?  It sounds like more TYRANNY
    from the Menzingen-denizens, that the Accordistas are so wont to
    deny is going on -- they are BENT on discrediting such incidents and
    situations as being unbelievable or "Internet rumour."  Meanwhile, I
    have YET to find any credible Menzingen-denizen identification of
    so much as ONE CASE of what they think is "Internet rumour."  I
    have come to the conclusion that the Menzingen-denizens are oh,
    so careful to be VAGUE and AMBIGUOUS about what they MEAN
    when they say 'Internet rumour' and this has a purpose.  They do
    this because they do not want to be held accountable for having
    said that A, B or C was not believable when A, B or C later prove
    out to have been TRUE and QUITE CREDIBLE AFTER ALL, and that
    would then DESTROY their penchant to criticize this vague,
    ambiguous chimera, this mirage of so-called 'Internet rumour', etc.}




    Then we crossed to Dagohoy in Bohol, to a group that has been traditional for 20 years, but that was never visited by a bishop for confirmations. They were 40, 13 of them confirmands. The Bishop really liked that little chapel, in the middle of nowhere, and of course our main man, Romeo, was absent! Philippinos will be Philippinos! I wish he could have met Loyd also, the backup man!

    Then we crossed to Cebu and met 50 people, half of them so late that those among them who needed it could not receive confirmation. Ramses did a great work. We were in a hurry, but the Bishop gave three speeches (because of the late comers), breaking spears with attorney Bakalso, whom i still respect very much. I also brought the Bishop to Lola Bertha, who was a bit confused because she is being blocked from letting the bishop, that blessed the chapel on her property, celebrate the Mass and Confirmations ten years later. But again, the Bishop was happy to see her and told her it was all right and that he understood the situation. I am going to begin to give Sunday Masses for Cebu, thanks to the flex given by Fr Suelo, whose health is improving just as we make him move around. The confinement in his room, day after day, in Manila, appears to be the cause of his lung problems. To be confirmed, though. I cross my fingers.


    {Uhhh...  Question:  How is Lola Bertha being blocked from
    letting +W celebrate Mass and Confirmations on her property?  
    It sounds like this is YET ANOTHER INSTANCE OF MEZINGEN
    MEDDLING WHERE IT IS NOT WELCOME -- something that
    needs to be exposed and docuмented, for it is the kind of thing
    the Accordistas are wont to disallow on the grounds that it is
    more inaccuracy or misinterpretation of the wiles of the
    Menzingen-denizens.  These are moral criminals who go about
    doing their dirty work all the while attempting to go on record as
    having done nothing wrong -- they want their argument to be they
    are sqeaky-clean while the Resistance is FILTHY DIRTY.  Do you see
    how this works?????}



    Another thing worthy of note; His Lordship told us to do all we could for the three or four aspirants to the Priesthood; then he went down and blessed the future house in Batangas. It should open in September. But if candidates can be shipped over to you, that would be still a solution that i would prefer, because there is not enough of us, (even if Fr Kramer comes for a few months), to train them fully.


    {Does this mean that Fr. Paul Kramer, who is fluent in Latin,
    English, Greek, French, German, Italian and Hungarian (if I'm
    not mistaken),Spanish and Portuguese, as well as an accomplished
    theologian and pianist, but doesn't like to admit it, is going to help
    with the seminary project in the Asian region?? Has he been
    studying Tagalog and Korean and Japanese and Chinese in his
    spare time?!?!}



    The Bishop told me to teach them the elements: Latin, Scripture, Encyclicals, History and English. No spirituality. Nothing going in to their heads, the total opposite of the Castle in Spain in Virginia.


    {TRANSLATION:  The new seminary project, the White Elephant
    of the Menzingen-denizens, will have virtually no Latin, Scripture,
    Encyclicals, History and English, and will rather accentuate
    spirituality going into their heads, instead.  Can someone provide
    a better description?  This is for the benefit of those who are
    preparing to send their sons into the mouth off the lion, I
    mean,
    the new seminary in Virginia.}



    I really trust that you are going to do the same with the Seminary on the Hillbelly, under the laughs of the fancy clerics of our time. I am ready, as promised, to give you three months in three installments per year to help you in that task, and if i get a third priest for East Asia, without requesting you to swap your Mass circuits with me, even if it would be best. everybody is waiting for you.


    {Correct me if I'm wrong, but it would seem Fr. Chazal is
    making a joke about Fr. Pfeiffer's physical size, with "Seminary
    on the Hillbelly"because it is a ménage à deux, so to speak,
    a combination of two things:  Seminary on the hill, and
    Seminary of the hillbilly, but, since this particular 'hillbilly'
    (Fr. Joe) is "portly" in stature, it becomes then "Hillbelly."  You
    can't help but marvel at the not-so-subtlety of this Francois
    Chazal character!}



    Then we flew to Singapore, for 20 people, mostly from the Yeo Clan. They were very good and talked at length with His Lordship. He took a good 48 hours rest, just as we went to admire the glory of Babylon the Great. As it is my custom, I read him the corresponding chapters of the Apocalypse from the top of the Sands Hotel and Casino, the craziest babylonic place that i know of. We also had some tea at the Raffle's Hotel, a brilliant relic of some forgotten power's past.


    {I have to say, I really appreciate this mental image, which
    is better than any high definition newfangled F/X production of
    the scene, because it leaves one's mind free to create its own
    images which are invariably better than the Schpielburgs of our
    day.  Fr. Chazal standing next to +Williamson, looking out over
    Singapore from atop the Sands Hotel and Casino, reading the
    'corresponding chapters of the Apocalypse' which I presume would
    be chapters 13, 15, 17 and 18 ---CORRECT???  HAHAHAHAHA}



    The key people of the Malaysia group being abroad, i cancelled the visit of the Bishop, but they are going to receive monthly mass starting July. We also omitted Japan (15 souls), Iloilo (20 people yesterday), and other small centers together with the new groups that are calling us now and that i have not started to visit myself.

    The news in India is good, Fr Valan is indestructible, Fr Pancras is joining the fray nicely, and preparations for Australia are almost complete. Ils ne passeront pas!

    Come in November.

    In Iesu et Maria,

    Francois Chazal sspx-mc


    {It would seem the November coming would likely include
    visits of the Bishop to Japan, Iloilo, Malaysia and "other
    small centers," since he missed them this time, NO?  Perhaps
    India.  Perhaps Australia.

    Where is there more to be found, and stories, perhaps, of
    Fr. Valan?  We need to hear the news of our "INDESTRUCTIBLE"
    priests!}




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    THE RECUSANT - 8 - July 2013
    « Reply #21 on: July 31, 2013, 04:41:58 PM »
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  • .I have already posted this article here, without much comment,
    where I changed the title to, "Is the Doctrinal Declaration Still
    Relevant?"  -because the term "issue" appeared that it might be
    confusing for non-native English speakers, what with this being
    issue #8, and all.  Plus, since this article was the topic of +W's
    EC CCCXV, in this post in the discussion thread for EC CCCXV, I
    have mentioned the closing paragraph without much comment.......


    This is the Editor's Comment portion of the article, "Is the Doctrinal
    Declaration still an issue?" pp.27-29 of #8, which is found at the end,
    on p.29 (I have taken the liberty of making several typo repairs, and
    I hope Ed doesn't mind!!) {my comments on Ed's comments} :


    Editor’s Comment:

              We have had a couple of Letters to the Editor since The
    Recusant began circulating some nine months ago, and yet we
    never found room to print them:  not because they were unworthy
    of attention, rather there were just too many other even more
    important things which squeezed them out.  If I have decided to
    make an exception and to reproduce this one here, it is definitely
    not because I wish to encourage everyone to send me letters for
    publication!

    {So much for that idea!  HAHAHAHA}

              The correspondent makes some very good points. Talk of
    “withdrawal” notwithstanding, Bishop Fellay’s Doctrinal Declaration
    is still every bit as important an issue as ever it was. What’s more,
    he may well be right in saying that the word ‘heresy’ is too strong
    to be used here. It is a word with a precise theological definition
    after all. I cannot claim to be a theologian.  

    {One must admire the British diplomacy of Ed, here, who after
    enduring the weekend of London Conferenceness with the likes of Fr.
    Pfeiffer and Fr. Kramer and Fr. Hewko, comes away unwilling quite as
    yet to set foot into that daring zone of no return, to wit, the former's
    pronunciation of "heresy" on the AFD and the latter's pronunciation of
    "NONSENSE" on the controversy over "legitimately promulgated" vs.
    "illegitimately promulgated," since the Newmass was never so much
    as promulgated, let alone legitimately so - complete with theological
    footnotes to any braveheart's content! Now, if Ed were not
    British, whence I can write his bent off to "tenacity," but rather
    American, I would be more apt to append the label with a prefix, "per-"
    .......... (and change out the e for an i) [Grin].  

    Nonetheless, being that as it may, he has been as it were swayed
    by the latter, whose assurance that it's going to be okay to take the
    plunge and foreswear attendance at SSPS Masses in the short term,
    at least, until such time as the Menzingen-denizens repent of their
    heresy I mean, their defection, abjure their error, and return to the
    Faith of our Fathers, living still, in spite of threats, expulsions and
    being-sent-to-the-south-pole-to-evangelize-the-penguins!
     
    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

    HEY KAZIMIERZ  ---   WHAT THINKIEST THOU???!!!

    (Hyphenated, underlined phrase is to be sung on ONE NOTE.}


              If there is one point where I feel I ought to take issue with the
    letter above, however:  it is with the quoted, ‘Critique of a Member of
    the Society.’  It is not true to say that the Doctrinal Declaration is
    “deeply ambiguous” - it is not in the least ambiguous, on the contrary!
    For once, it is something which says what it means in black and white!  
    Nor for that matter, can one say that the docuмent “sins by omission”,
    since this might exonerate its many explicit sins of commission  
    (such as stating that Vatican II enlightens and deepens Tradition, for
    example). Thirdly, it does not “give the impression” of accepting the
    hermeneutic of continuity - it most definitely does accept the
    hermeneutic of continuity, explicitly so. See paragraph III,5.

    {THREE CHEERS FOR ED!    HIP HIP -- HORAAAAY!    
    HIP HIP -- HORAAAAY!    HIP HIP -- HORAAAAY! }  
    :rahrah:  


              I would certainly go further than calling the April 15th 2012
    text “doctrinally dubious”. Yes, it is “doctrinally dubious”, but this is an
    understatement. If it is not “heresy” properly speaking, it is certainly
    heterodox. It favours heresy, perhaps. One can also fairly describe
    the docuмent as “modernist”.

    {We could perhaps say:  offensive to pious ears,
    proximate to heresy, odious, smacking of falsehood, largely vacuous
    of true doctrine, indignant to theology and disreputable.}


              I have noticed a reticence on the part of priests to be too
    critical of the Doctrinal Declaration. Indeed, if there is one thing
    which I find staggering, it is the underwhelming response on the part
    of the good priests (the bad ones see no need to criticise it – they
    agree with the contents of the Doctrinal Declaration!).  Had the April
    2012 Doctrinal Declaration been written four or five years ago by Fr.
    Michael Mary Sim, or by the Superior General of the FSSP, let there
    be no doubt the SSPX priests in our country would have condemned
    it in the very strongest possible terms. They would not have tiptoed
    around calling it “ambiguous” or “dubious”... But that is another issue,
    dealt with elsewhere.

    {Anyone adequately equipped to list the locations of this purported
    "elsewhere" please do!  FYI - the location of THIS POST is:

    http://www.cathinfo.com/catholic.php?a=topic&t=25981&min=20#p1

    .. and you can copy and paste that URL (above) into your post where
    you have found such such reference.  I am thinking Ed means elsewhere
    in TheRecusant issues 1-7 but I fail to recall any of them -- HEEEELLP!}


    Finally, is it true that “matters would have been even worse” had
    the Doctrinal Declaration succeeded? I am beginning to wonder.
    Time will tell. Plenty of priests who would have opposed it are now
    in danger of being slowly sucked in. Pray that this does not happen
    and that they regain their courage. - Ed.




    This last paragraph was the only one I had quoted from, previously,
    in my reference to this article, as I mentioned at the top of this post.
    Ed, true to form, hurls the reader headlong into the depths of a more
    intensely comprehensive awareness, whether or not he would even
    like to 'go there', and I, for one, think IT'S A REAL BLAST!  

    I would suppose if I were British, though, I'd be prone to say something
    like, "It is for me as a breath of fresh air, an autumn breeze, or perhaps
    a gentle springtime caress of wind the morning after a May shower
    clears, full of the richness of nature."


    Correct?     :judge:







     
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    THE RECUSANT - 8 - July 2013
    « Reply #22 on: July 31, 2013, 05:29:31 PM »
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  • and if you were Irish... what would you say...:  :cheers:


    Offline Neil Obstat

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    THE RECUSANT - 8 - July 2013
    « Reply #23 on: July 31, 2013, 05:42:57 PM »
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    Please forgive me for not expanding on every article in TheRecusant
    issue #8, because I really want to but it's a bit overwhelming for an
    undertaking.  Sounds like a shotgun:  Over and Under:  BANG!   HAHAHA

    But seriously, the last article in this issue is the following:



    More Evidence of the Slide      


    This news comes mostly from that wonderful ‘grapevine’ round the world of Tradition, the internet.  As such, we cannot vouch personally for the  veracity of every single report (though some of them, in fact, we can).  Yet if even only some of the following is true, it ought to give us pause for thought.  We believe that the ditching of Tradition officially by Menzingen must surely mean a loss of God’s Grace and blessing, and so we fully expect the slide of the SSPX to continue and even that it will speed up in the months ahead.  You will be able to see for yourself whether the passage of time vindicates our judgement.

    •    Polish District website caught promoting ordinations of Ecclesia Dei groups.  The website of the SSPX Polish District (news.fsspx.pl) recently published a news article, where in the news was announcements for the upcoming SSPX ordinations at Winona, Zaitskofen and Econe, and also the ordinations about to be performed for the FSSP, ICK and FSSR for their respective groups.  There were no negative comment at all, nor anything to indicate any essential difference between these Ecclesia Dei groups and the SSPX.  Since ‘the word got out’ on the internet, the webmaster of the (F)SSPX Polish website has removed this damaging evidence from the article in question.

    •    Guitars during Mass.  At an SSPX chapel in Austria the SSPX priest brought in two ladies from a Novus Ordo parish to play guitars during Mass for a First Communion.

    •    Orchestra during Mass.  We have a video of Mass at St. Nicolas du Chardonnet recently, on the occasion of visit by Bishop Fellay.  The creed is accompanied by an orchestra, was situated in the centre of the Church towards the front, between the Sanctuary and the great number of faithful.  A lady takes the collection.

    •     Pope Francis... ...nothing.  Well, have you come across criticism (let alone outrage) by the SSPX lately?  What about the many novelties, outrages or humiliations to which he is subjecting the Church?  They haven’t said anything about him!  Surely that in itself speaks volumes?

    This one is really begging for a comment.

    Speaking of "humiliations," keep in mind Ed wrote this a month
    before Francis  A)  did his beach-ball-on-the-altar-stunt, and  B)  his
    abysmal belly-flop of a proclamation with the stupid new installation of
    a commissioner for the Franciscans of the Immaculata just because
    they're not quite as eager as Francis would like them to be, to abandon
    Sacred Tradition!

    Therefore, they cannot, he says, offer the Traditional Latin Mass ('Vetus
    Ordo') without asking the new commissioner, "Mother may I."  

    Do you like this game?

    HEY, FRANCIS --

    HAVE YOU EVER READ QUO PRIMUM?


    I'd ask him if he's ever HEARD OF IT, but since he's pope that would
    appear insulting, and rightly so, but it's possible he's never bothered
    to read it.  It's not required reading in any of the classes he took, of
    that you can be sure.  So in a small way, you can't really blame him,
    so then, "In a small way, He can just go to hell," as St. Patrick would have
    said.  I know because I have friends who know him rather well.  They're
    Irish.  The Irish don't mind talking like that.  And if you don't like it, you
    don't have to ask, because you know where you can go.  HAHAHAHA

    Quote from: stgobnait
    and if you were Irish... what would you say...:  :cheers:



    Now, maybe you'd like to say, "Let's just give them a chance!  It's only
    just happened this past week!  Why would DICI come out gangbusters
    the next day?"  

    Well, how soon we forget!  How long did it take JPII the inGrate to
    come out gangbusters against the Episcopal consecrations of 1988?
    Oh, you forgot already?  Not even one day:  he was ready with the
    goodies in advance and less than 24 hours later the S**t hit the fan.

    How long did it take HEBF to come out gangbusters against the release
    of his own abominable AFD that he was trying to hide?  That's right, less
    than 24 hours.

    How long did it take Fr. Rostand to come out gangbusters against the
    announcement that there would be +W confirmations in Post Falls?  

    How long did it take ANY of the Menzingen-denizen reactions to any of
    the things that ABL himself would have done were he still alive?  Rest
    assured, they are RIGHT ON IT.  

    So don't be caught whining about "let's give them a chance."  Because
    it just makes you look stupid.  

    This is war.  The one thing you NEVER do in war is give the enemy a
    chance, unless, that is, it's to your advantage.



    •     Canonisation of JPII draws closer.  Where is the outcry from Menzingen or from DICI? Will Bishop Fellay once again profess “mixed feelings” as he did with the beatification of Paul VI?

    •    There’s no such thing as the ‘Conciliar Church.’  So says Fr. Schmidberger. So, in effect, says Fr. Gleize (and he’s supposed to be one of the good ones!).  Clearly Archbishop Lefebvre got it wrong then!

    •    Fr. Hewko denied entry to Winona for the Ordination of his nephew.  Had he been a Novus Ordo priests would it have been different?  And this, despite the fact that he still has not yet officially been expelled from the SSPX! ...and much more besides, much of it anecdotal and thus not easy to prove.  Stay awake!
     



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    THE RECUSANT - 8 - July 2013
    « Reply #24 on: July 31, 2013, 06:03:44 PM »
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  • This paragraph should have had the s removed:

    •    Fr. Hewko denied entry to Winona for the Ordination of his nephew.  Had he been a NovusOrdo priest would it have been different?  And this, despite the fact that he still has not yet officially been expelled from the SSPX! ...and much more besides, much of it anecdotal and thus not easy to prove.  Stay awake!
     


    Watch! Wachet Auf!  


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