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Offline Infirmus

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I'm just a layman, why can't I be upset?
« on: July 20, 2024, 09:48:27 PM »
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  • Seriously? Seriously? The first highest ranking conciliar cleric to embrace Tradition and he turns sede, he doesn't have what Archbishop Lefebvre had. 
    I know I ruffled sede feathers with the last post (I think they gave me the thumbs down) but I am not sede, we will know what to believe about these popes when the Church regains Tradition. Too many people have itchy Klingons in their underwear and want to scratch an scratch until it bleeds. I talked to one totalist and the totalist was prepared to accept Divine revelation of a pope. Really? 

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    Re: I'm just a layman, why can't I be upset?
    « Reply #1 on: July 20, 2024, 09:55:13 PM »
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    Re: I'm just a layman, why can't I be upset?
    « Reply #2 on: July 20, 2024, 10:01:26 PM »
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    Re: I'm just a layman, why can't I be upset?
    « Reply #3 on: July 21, 2024, 02:29:23 AM »
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  • Seriously? Seriously? The first highest ranking conciliar cleric to embrace Tradition and he turns sede, he doesn't have what Archbishop Lefebvre had.
    I know I ruffled sede feathers with the last post (I think they gave me the thumbs down) but I am not sede, we will know what to believe about these popes when the Church regains Tradition. Too many people have itchy Klingons in their underwear and want to scratch an scratch until it bleeds. I talked to one totalist and the totalist was prepared to accept Divine revelation of a pope. Really?

    May I ask.....what do you mean by a totalist being prepared to accept a Divine revelation of a pope? Is it that a totalist (I don't know what totalist means) will believe that God has given us a pope through extra-ordinary means? 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: I'm just a layman, why can't I be upset?
    « Reply #4 on: July 21, 2024, 07:01:50 AM »
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  • Seriously? Seriously? The first highest ranking conciliar cleric to embrace Tradition and he turns sede, he doesn't have what Archbishop Lefebvre had.
    I know I ruffled sede feathers with the last post (I think they gave me the thumbs down) but I am not sede, we will know what to believe about these popes when the Church regains Tradition. Too many people have itchy Klingons in their underwear and want to scratch an scratch until it bleeds. I talked to one totalist and the totalist was prepared to accept Divine revelation of a pope. Really?
    But you would have jumped on the Vigano train if he didn't "go sede" (which in my view he actually hasn't done yet)?
    Revenge not yourselves, my dearly beloved; but give place unto wrath, for it is written: Revenge is mine, I will repay, saith the Lord. (Romans 12:19)


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    Re: I'm just a layman, why can't I be upset?
    « Reply #5 on: July 21, 2024, 07:39:00 AM »
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  • But you would have jumped on the Vigano train if he didn't "go sede" (which in my view he actually hasn't done yet)?
    BINGO! Sedes hold to a vacant, impeded, or privated Roman See since 1958 (or 1963). Viganò, who I hold in esteem, does not profess this. He rejects merely the Berogoglian clain to the Papacy.
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    Re: I'm just a layman, why can't I be upset?
    « Reply #6 on: July 21, 2024, 10:07:34 AM »
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  • Seriously? Seriously? The first highest ranking conciliar cleric to embrace Tradition and he turns sede, he doesn't have what Archbishop Lefebvre had.
    I know I ruffled sede feathers with the last post (I think they gave me the thumbs down) but I am not sede, we will know what to believe about these popes when the Church regains Tradition. 

    I agree that we will know what to believe about these popes when the Church regains Tradition. We just have to wait until then, even though it's difficult. 

    And I agree too that [Saint Vigano] doesn't have what Archbishop Lefebvre had. Archbishop Lefebvre balanced his opinion of the Crisis with the need to still attain holiness in this life, so as to be ready for the life to come. Eternity is forever, and we have to prepare for that here. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: I'm just a layman, why can't I be upset?
    « Reply #7 on: July 23, 2024, 09:17:34 PM »
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  • May I ask.....what do you mean by a totalist being prepared to accept a Divine revelation of a pope? Is it that a totalist (I don't know what totalist means) will believe that God has given us a pope through extra-ordinary means?
    Maybe the sedes can correct me if I'm wrong about them (the totalist ones) From what I understand about a group of totalists is that they are the last ones left. They basically judged all nonsedes as outside the Church, I mean they judged the pope, after that it will be a helluva lot easier to judge little people. So I made the point to a totasede how will you know who the pope is when you get one who is trad, are you going to accept Divine revelation like the Thucker cult did in Palmar Da Troya. A scandal from Thuc. What possessed him to ordain a few men and consecrate them 10 days later. Also questioned the totasede if Pope Francis (oops did I call him Pope Francis) turns Trad before he dies how will you be able to accept him as pope. Another point I brought up was if the totasedes claim they are the last remnant then why don't they elect a pope. I know why they won't elect a pope, because they are afraid they will be like other little cults, they don't want to be labelled as quacks. 
    Too many syllables in totasede, tosede is better, sounds like a snack.
    If you meet a tosede ask them why their group does not elect a pope.

    Then there are sedeprivationists, we should shorten that to sedeps, I know ...sorry couldn't think of anything else:'(
    Don't ask me about sedeps, I can't comprehend their theory, I was listening to a sedeps bishop(?) video explaining it and all of a sudden I couldn't hear his voice, this distracting music started to play in my head.    


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    Re: I'm just a layman, why can't I be upset?
    « Reply #8 on: July 23, 2024, 09:20:38 PM »
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  • Hi Mark 79 
    Please advise what made me a troll so I can correct myself and you can become a faithful reader of my inept comments. I'm no theologian. God made me just regular, not intellectual.

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    Re: I'm just a layman, why can't I be upset?
    « Reply #9 on: July 24, 2024, 02:21:30 AM »
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  • Hi Mark 79
    Please advise what made me a troll so I can correct myself and you can become a faithful reader of my inept comments. I'm no theologian. God made me just regular, not intellectual.

    Are you that lacking in introspection?

    Would you defecate in the living room of a family you just met?

    You pretty much did the internet equivalent here.

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    Re: I'm just a layman, why can't I be upset?
    « Reply #10 on: July 24, 2024, 06:00:47 AM »
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  • Are you that lacking in introspection?

    Would you defecate in the living room of a family you just met?

    You pretty much did the internet equivalent here.
    :laugh1:
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    Re: I'm just a layman, why can't I be upset?
    « Reply #11 on: July 24, 2024, 07:04:15 AM »
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  • Maybe the sedes can correct me if I'm wrong about them (the totalist ones) From what I understand about a group of totalists is that they are the last ones left. They basically judged all nonsedes as outside the Church, I mean they judged the pope, after that it will be a helluva lot easier to judge little people. So I made the point to a totasede how will you know who the pope is when you get one who is trad, are you going to accept Divine revelation like the Thucker cult did in Palmar Da Troya. A scandal from Thuc. What possessed him to ordain a few men and consecrate them 10 days later. Also questioned the totasede if Pope Francis (oops did I call him Pope Francis) turns Trad before he dies how will you be able to accept him as pope. Another point I brought up was if the totasedes claim they are the last remnant then why don't they elect a pope. I know why they won't elect a pope, because they are afraid they will be like other little cults, they don't want to be labelled as quacks.
    Too many syllables in totasede, tosede is better, sounds like a snack.
    If you meet a tosede ask them why their group does not elect a pope.

    Then there are sedeprivationists, we should shorten that to sedeps, I know ...sorry couldn't think of anything else:'(
    Don't ask me about sedeps, I can't comprehend their theory, I was listening to a sedeps bishop(?) video explaining it and all of a sudden I couldn't hear his voice, this distracting music started to play in my head.   
    I'd respond to this emoting, but something tells me it will be a total waste of my time and energy.
    Revenge not yourselves, my dearly beloved; but give place unto wrath, for it is written: Revenge is mine, I will repay, saith the Lord. (Romans 12:19)

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    Re: I'm just a layman, why can't I be upset?
    « Reply #12 on: July 24, 2024, 07:00:12 PM »
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  • I'd respond to this emoting, but something tells me it will be a total waste of my time and energy.
    you just wasted your time and energy