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Eleison Comments - Honouring Apostates (no. 868)
« on: March 03, 2024, 11:28:01 AM »
HONOURING APOSTATES

March 2, 2024
Eleison Comments by Mgr. Williamson Issue DCCCLXVIII (868)

The Newsociety does not compromise?
To venerate apostates is not wise!

If these “Comments” sometimes shock good souls by how they can present either the Newchurch (since 1965) or the Newsociety of St Pius X (since 2012) in a good light, let them know that it is for pastoral reasons, because many Catholics are hanging on to their Catholic Faith through either the Newchurch or the Newsociety by their fingernails, and without the Newchurch or the Newsociety they could easily let go. In many such cases surely the proverb applies, “Better half a loaf than no bread.” On the other hand for doctrinal reasons this way of keeping the Faith has its serious dangers because both Newchurch and Newsociety have made compromises in doctrine which are dangerous for keeping the Catholic Faith. Here is that valuable lesson, from the following article written by a Benedictine monk of the Monastery of Santa Cruz, near Rio de Janeiro. “Arsenius” (his pen-name) has our warm thanks.

Ever since the heresy of humanism (man before God) was made officially “Catholic” by the Council Fathers of Vatican II (1962–1965), the Popes and their advisers have done nothing but continue on their way leading straight to the abyss, falling typically faster and faster as their fall proceeds. Such a picture in no way inspires within us any hope for the least glimmer of a wish on the part of any of these officials to look after Catholic Tradition (meaning quite simply the true Church) in any way whatsoever. However, there are those who not only entertained some such hope but even felt a strange certainty that things were getting better for Tradition in Rome. By “Tradition” here they can only have meant the Newsociety with its desire to enter into a blameworthy “unity in diversity” with Rome. Hence the split, puzzling for many, between the Newsociety of St Pius X and the so-called “Resistance.”

The turning-point for the Society of St Pius X was the year 2012, when the Resolution of the previous General Chapter of 2006, that there would be no practical agreement with Rome as long as the Catholic Truth had not yet triumphed, was replaced by the Newsociety’s official desire for a practical agreement, even if the Pope and his advisers had not yet come back to the Catholic Truth. Bishop Williamson was excluded from the General Chapter that made this change, and then from the Newsociety altogether.

The years that followed showed more and more clear signs of Rome and the Newsociety growing closer together. One by one, Rome gave official approval to the marriages, priestly ordinations and confessions dispensed by the Newsociety. Was this the famous phrase being put into practice, namely “Rome gives everything and asks for nothing in return”? In which case the phrase was a reality and not just an illusion? One might well reply that it was just a way of acting to ensure that from now on the Newsociety would be acting more and more only with modernist Rome’s approval, basing its activity no longer on the general and grave emergency within the Church, because with Tradition now being “officialised,” the emergency was supposedly over. Meanwhile Rome would be waiting for the day when it could “pull the rug” from under the Newsociety’s feet, driving it into the blind alley into which it had driven itself.

But may the recent announcement that the Newsociety is going to consecrate one or more bishops without Rome’s permission not be a sign that the old Society prior to 2012 is coming back? Alas, that seems virtually impossible. A return to the fighting spirit of Archbishop Lefebvre against the enemies of the Church in Rome seems to us a heritage of his in large part now lost within the Newsociety. The future looks dark to us, although God is still at work in numerous souls, thanks to the apostolate of members of the Newsociety. But that does not stop us from recognising that the Newsociety should be correcting a number of its post-Lefebvre guiding principles. In any case, the more scandals stain the pontificate of Francis, and the more the illusions of a reconciliation with Rome should be fading out. May Our Lady make us understand and love deeply the Church of all time, not to be identified with its caricature fabricated at Vatican II, and put into practice in the pontificates following.

Kyrie eleison

Offline Steve

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Re: Eleison Comments - Honouring Apostates (no. 868)
« Reply #1 on: March 03, 2024, 06:27:33 PM »
Yes, Bishop Williamson and Resistance bishops and priests keep banging the drum about the source of all of the insanity coming out of Rome, in online homilies, interviews, Eleison Notes, letters from Benedictine Monasteries...

...but SSPX (bishops in particular) seem as quiet as N.O. bishops about how to understand what Rome is doing.

I assume there are many SSPX priests who are able to fit some appropriate words into their homilies to educate about modernism, the erroneous Vatican II docuмents, the very traceable lines of error from Francis, Benedict XVI, JPII, Paul VI back to their sources in VII humanism and modernism, and the specific writings and acts of each of them that need to be called out...

... but I believe they do this at risk of censure or even being culled by an SSPX leadership cadre that says "the shot" is moral, and the earth is 13B years old (a la Fr. Paul Robinson, director of Angeles Press).

I would very much like to see a running series of 'fireside chats' by the SSPX bishops in particular up on You Tube, Odysee, Rumble or whomever would host them, calling out these problems and the problems of h0Ɩ0cαųstianity just as Bishop Williamson, Fr. Chazal et al regularly do.  

The logic and reasoning that Bishop Williamson lays out in his lectures and homilies is very clear and, but for lack of a wider audience, should not be hard to convince many (now desperately) seeking N.O.s to come to Tradition and convert the Protestants and non-Christians.  Indeed we see it in the YouTube comments on Bishop Williamson's lectures that such is actually happening.


Re: Eleison Comments - Honouring Apostates (no. 868)
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2024, 01:27:31 PM »
Bishop Williamson is trying to save souls. 

People are leaving churches and losing their souls.  Many reject God when they leave.

And we have to pray for our enemies even though it’s difficult when I’m angry at the Vatican which are wolves in sheep  clothing. 













Offline Steve

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Re: Eleison Comments - Honouring Apostates (no. 868)
« Reply #3 on: June 14, 2024, 08:14:44 PM »
Bishop Williamson is trying to save souls. 

People are leaving churches and losing their souls.  Many reject God when they leave.

And we have to pray for our enemies even though it’s difficult when I’m angry at the Vatican which are wolves in sheep  clothing.
Yes, yes, and yes!

  I understand Bishop Williamson on the 'half-a-loaf-but-its-dangerous' and support him as a shepherd doing what he can to save souls...as delicate as that posture is and as inviting to criticism from 'blasted earth' Trads.  

You are right: when faced with the reality that their life in N.O. is a departure from authentic Catholicism it is too much for many and they just quit the Faith altogether.  

Forgiveness has to extend to our worst enemies, even if to their face sometimes we have to give them steel, tough love.  And the Lord commanded us to pray for our enemies - there isn't a question about this.

Re: Eleison Comments - Honouring Apostates (no. 868)
« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2024, 06:09:38 AM »
Bishop Williamson was excluded from the General Chapter that made this change, and then from the Newsociety altogether.

But may the recent announcement that the Newsociety is going to consecrate one or more bishops without Rome’s permission not be a sign that the old Society prior to 2012 is coming back?
Questions about these two comments. 

Is Bishop Williamson still writing his EC's? Does he always refer to himself in the third person? I don't recall seeing this before.

Also, when did the SSPX announce they would be consecrating bishops without the permission of Rome? Where is this announcement?