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The (((Hegelian))) Dialectic
« on: November 08, 2024, 04:11:22 PM »
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  • I’ve noticed many posts on this platform where people are caught in the trap of the Hegelian Dialectic, likely without realizing it. Here’s a straightforward breakdown of why this “devil’s logic” is dangerous to faith and truth:

    The Hegelian Dialectic—a process of thesis, antithesis, and synthesis—promotes compromise as a path to truth, dismissing absolutes and encouraging moral relativism. This philosophy is foundational to the Western political system, most clearly seen in U.S. politics, where manufactured conflicts lead to “synthesized” solutions that move society further from objective truth. By manipulating opposing sides, social engineers steer society toward pre-determined goals, masking evil as good and vice versa.

    For Catholics, this mindset is incompatible with the Faith, which stands on unchanging truth, not compromise. The Hegelian approach weakens resistance to sin and opens the door to moral decay. True faith is grounded in the absolute teachings of Christ and His Church, not in the relativism of worldly systems.




    Hegel, Dialectic, Marx
    “It is not we who are in schism but the Conciliar Church." +Archbishop Lefebvre (Homily preached at Lille, August 29, 1976)

    “Obviously, we are against the Conciliar Church which is virtually schismatic, even if they deny it. In practice, it is a Church virtually excommunicated because it is a Modernist Church.” +Archbishop Lefebvre (One Year After the Consecrations, July-August, 1989)

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    Re: The (((Hegelian))) Dialectic
    « Reply #1 on: November 08, 2024, 04:46:12 PM »
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  • The Catholic position on the Hegelian dialectic is simple: reject it outright. Truth in Catholic teaching is not something reached by blending opposing ideas—it is absolute, revealed by God, and safeguarded by the Church without compromise.

    Pope Pius X denounced the idea of evolving truth as heresy in Pascendi Dominici Gregis (1907): “The doctrine of the faith which God has revealed is put forward not as some philosophical invention…but as a divine deposit committed to the Spouse of Christ to be faithfully guarded and infallibly declared.” This is an unchanging truth, not open to synthesis.

    Likewise, Pope Leo XIII in Satis Cognitum (1896) made it clear: “The Church…never changes in such wise as to depart from the doctrine which Christ entrusted to her care…nothing can be added to it, nothing taken away from it.” Leo XIII warns that any “compromise” or synthesis of truth corrupts the Faith itself.

    The Church does not participate in any dialectic that would reduce divine truth to a balancing act between “thesis” and “antithesis.” Truth is not up for negotiation; it stands on its own. Any attempt to “improve” it by blending it with opposing ideas is simply a rejection of that truth.
    “It is not we who are in schism but the Conciliar Church." +Archbishop Lefebvre (Homily preached at Lille, August 29, 1976)

    “Obviously, we are against the Conciliar Church which is virtually schismatic, even if they deny it. In practice, it is a Church virtually excommunicated because it is a Modernist Church.” +Archbishop Lefebvre (One Year After the Consecrations, July-August, 1989)


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    Re: The (((Hegelian))) Dialectic
    « Reply #2 on: November 08, 2024, 06:27:08 PM »
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  • Thanks for those!  The (((Hegelian))) Dialectic is the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan's subjective relativism weaponized against both God and man.



    Even when the damned Jєωs speak of "Torah," they have replaced the Word of God with their own words. https://archive.is/7Tr7W

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    Re: The (((Hegelian))) Dialectic
    « Reply #3 on: November 08, 2024, 07:18:14 PM »
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  • I’ve noticed many posts on this platform where people are caught in the trap of the Hegelian Dialectic, likely without realizing it. Here’s a straightforward breakdown of why this “devil’s logic” is dangerous to faith and truth:

    The Hegelian Dialectic—a process of thesis, antithesis, and synthesis—promotes compromise as a path to truth, dismissing absolutes and encouraging moral relativism. This philosophy is foundational to the Western political system, most clearly seen in U.S. politics, where manufactured conflicts lead to “synthesized” solutions that move society further from objective truth. By manipulating opposing sides, social engineers steer society toward pre-determined goals, masking evil as good and vice versa.

    For Catholics, this mindset is incompatible with the Faith, which stands on unchanging truth, not compromise. The Hegelian approach weakens resistance to sin and opens the door to moral decay. True faith is grounded in the absolute teachings of Christ and His Church, not in the relativism of worldly systems.




    Hegel, Dialectic, Marx

    Can you point out any post from a real Catholic that shows them to be willing to compromise on anything that opposes Catholic doctrine?
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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    Re: The (((Hegelian))) Dialectic
    « Reply #4 on: November 08, 2024, 07:31:41 PM »
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  • Can you point out any post from a real Catholic that shows them to be willing to compromise on anything that opposes Catholic doctrine?
    Define "real Catholic."


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    Re: The (((Hegelian))) Dialectic
    « Reply #5 on: November 08, 2024, 08:24:50 PM »
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  • Define "real Catholic."

    Someone who is baptized, professes the true faith, and who has not been cut off from the Church by legitimate ecclesiastical authority.
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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    Re: The (((Hegelian))) Dialectic
    « Reply #6 on: November 09, 2024, 11:57:09 AM »
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  • Someone who is baptized, professes the true faith, and who has not been cut off from the Church by legitimate ecclesiastical authority.

    Wait ... what?  So what happened to your "manifest herersy" SV position?  You've just regurgitated the Salza position.  Joe Biden and Nancy Peℓσѕι profess to be Catholic and have not been "cut off from the Church by legitimate ecclesiastical authority".

    This is yet one more example of people so desperate to justify their desire to vote for Trump that they end up contradicting their own principles.  Of course, you'll continue to hold both these to be true ... since that's the inevitable result of error, a mental schizophrenia.

    Same is true of the EENS question, where most SVs hold that V2 eccleisology is heretical ... but then promote the same ecclesiology by touting Suprema Haec ... which V2 rightly footnotes as reference for its own ecclesiology, and actually hold the same ecclesiology themselves by holding that non-Catholics can be saved (and therefore can be in the Church).

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    Re: The (((Hegelian))) Dialectic
    « Reply #7 on: November 09, 2024, 03:29:52 PM »
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  • Wait ... what?  So what happened to your "manifest herersy" SV position?  You've just regurgitated the Salza position.  Joe Biden and Nancy Peℓσѕι profess to be Catholic and have not been "cut off from the Church by legitimate ecclesiastical authority".

    This is yet one more example of people so desperate to justify their desire to vote for Trump that they end up contradicting their own principles.  Of course, you'll continue to hold both these to be true ... since that's the inevitable result of error, a mental schizophrenia.

    Same is true of the EENS question, where most SVs hold that V2 eccleisology is heretical ... but then promote the same ecclesiology by touting Suprema Haec ... which V2 rightly footnotes as reference for its own ecclesiology, and actually hold the same ecclesiology themselves by holding that non-Catholics can be saved (and therefore can be in the Church).



    I don’t think you read what I wrote correctly.

    I did not say “profess to be Catholic”, I said “profess the true faith”. Enormous difference. Paul VI, JPII, Ratzinger, Bergoglio, Biden, Pelozi, people who think abortion and sodomy are compatible with Catholicism, etc. don’t profess the true faith, hence they’re not Catholics. It doesn’t matter one bit if they think themselves to be Catholics, they’re not.


    BTW: I’m not a big Trump fanboy, but I’m praying he does the right thing and obeys God’s Holy Will. You should too.
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?


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    Re: The (((Hegelian))) Dialectic
    « Reply #8 on: November 09, 2024, 04:24:38 PM »
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  • Someone who is baptized, professes the true faith, and who has not been cut off from the Church by legitimate ecclesiastical authority.
    In better times that definition would have sufficed and I would have agreed with you. Today your definition is useless and adrift.

    Unfortunately, self-identified "Catholics" have in large doses imbibed the poison of ʝʊdɛօ-Luciferian subjective relativism.

    As best I can discern, only the pre-V2 past stands as "legitimate ecclesiastical authority."

    What pre-V2 Saint could find "legitimate eccles
    iastical authority" today? in Jorge the heretic? in the SSPX management? in Josh987654321/MarkM/Siscoe/Salza? in Vigano?

    Because of that, your once-accurate definition is a historical vestige adrift from today's reality.

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    Re: The (((Hegelian))) Dialectic
    « Reply #9 on: November 09, 2024, 04:28:20 PM »
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  • I don’t think you read what I wrote correctly.

    I did not say “profess to be Catholic”, I said “profess the true faith”. Enormous difference. Paul VI, JPII, Ratzinger, Bergoglio, Biden, Pelozi, people who think abortion and sodomy are compatible with Catholicism, etc. don’t profess the true faith, hence they’re not Catholics. It doesn’t matter one bit if they think themselves to be Catholics, they’re not.


    BTW: I’m not a big Trump fanboy, but I’m praying he does the right thing and obeys God’s Holy Will. You should too.

    So… you agree with me.   You cite "the pre-V2 past" for legitimate ecclesiastical authority because neither you nor I can cite any legitimate ecclesiastical authority today.

    What a satanic mess.

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    Re: The (((Hegelian))) Dialectic
    « Reply #10 on: November 09, 2024, 04:34:15 PM »
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  • I’ve noticed many posts on this platform where people are caught in the trap of the Hegelian Dialectic, likely without realizing it. Here’s a straightforward breakdown of why this “devil’s logic” is dangerous to faith and truth:

    The Hegelian Dialectic—a process of thesis, antithesis, and synthesis—promotes compromise as a path to truth, dismissing absolutes and encouraging moral relativism. This philosophy is foundational to the Western political system, most clearly seen in U.S. politics, where manufactured conflicts lead to “synthesized” solutions that move society further from objective truth. By manipulating opposing sides, social engineers steer society toward pre-determined goals, masking evil as good and vice versa.

    For Catholics, this mindset is incompatible with the Faith, which stands on unchanging truth, not compromise. The Hegelian approach weakens resistance to sin and opens the door to moral decay. True faith is grounded in the absolute teachings of Christ and His Church, not in the relativism of worldly systems.




    Hegel, Dialectic, Marx
    You bring up a good point. The problem is that when the cabal (in many cases, long ago) set up controlled opposition websites (posing as websites well aware of the Jєωιѕн question) it was with the goal of manipulating that segment of the population who gives a great deal of their attention to this issue. As controlled op websites do, they provide 99% information with which the follower will agree, which facilitates the 1% of lies spewing out from these psy ops. The sad part is that those who are being controlled and manipulated don't even know they are being played by the Problem >  Reaction   >  Solution aka
    Hegel's Dialectic.
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    Re: The (((Hegelian))) Dialectic
    « Reply #11 on: November 09, 2024, 04:35:53 PM »
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  • In better times that definition would have sufficed and I would have agreed with you. Today your definition is useless and adrift.

    Unfortunately, self-identified "Catholics" have in large doses imbibed the poison of ʝʊdɛօ-Luciferian subjective relativism.

    As best I can discern, only the pre-V2 past stands as "legitimate ecclesiastical authority."

    What pre-V2 Saint could find "legitimate eccles
    iastical authority" today? in Jorge the heretic? in the SSPX management? in Josh987654321/MarkM/Siscoe/Salza? in Vigano?

    Because of that, your once-accurate definition is a historical vestige adrift from today's reality.


    Mark, they can self identify all they want, it doesn’t make them a Catholic. They need to “profess” the true faith. That is how anyone can discern whether a Bergoglio or a Biden is actually a Catholic. If they pertinaciously deny EENS, believe that sodomy is acceptable, abortion is a viable choice, or that worshiping false gods is compatible with Catholicism, they simply aren’t Catholic.
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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    Re: The (((Hegelian))) Dialectic
    « Reply #12 on: November 09, 2024, 04:37:27 PM »
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  • So… you agree with me.  You cite "the pre-V2 past" for legitimate ecclesiastical authority because neither you nor I can cite any legitimate ecclesiastical authority today.

    What a satanic mess.

    Just saw this…..absolutely.
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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    I hope Ladislaus read my reply Re: The (((Hegelian))) Dialectic
    « Reply #13 on: November 10, 2024, 07:28:49 PM »
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  • I hope Ladislaus read my reply. I would loathe to be thought of as a non sedevacantist. :trollface:



    Quote from: Ladislaus on Yesterday at 11:57:09 AM
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    Wait ... what?  So what happened to your "manifest herersy" SV position?  You've just regurgitated the Salza position.  Joe Biden and Nancy Peℓσѕι profess to be Catholic and have not been "cut off from the Church by legitimate ecclesiastical authority".

    This is yet one more example of people so desperate to justify their desire to vote for Trump that they end up contradicting their own principles.  Of course, you'll continue to hold both these to be true ... since that's the inevitable result of error, a mental schizophrenia.

    Same is true of the EENS question, where most SVs hold that V2 eccleisology is heretical ... but then promote the same ecclesiology by touting Suprema Haec ... which V2 rightly footnotes as reference for its own ecclesiology, and actually hold the same ecclesiology themselves by holding that non-Catholics can be saved (and therefore can be in the Church).




    I don’t think you read what I wrote correctly.

    I did not say “profess to be Catholic”, I said “profess the true faith”. Enormous difference. Paul VI, JPII, Ratzinger, Bergoglio, Biden, Pelozi, people who think abortion and sodomy are compatible with Catholicism, etc. don’t profess the true faith, hence they’re not Catholics. It doesn’t matter one bit if they think themselves to be Catholics, they’re not.


    BTW: I’m not a big Trump fanboy, but I’m praying he does the right thing and obeys God’s Holy Will. You should too.




    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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    Re: The (((Hegelian))) Dialectic
    « Reply #14 on: November 10, 2024, 07:46:02 PM »
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  • In better times that definition would have sufficed and I would have agreed with you. Today your definition is useless and adrift.

    Unfortunately, self-identified "Catholics" have in large doses imbibed the poison of ʝʊdɛօ-Luciferian subjective relativism.

    As best I can discern, only the pre-V2 past stands as "legitimate ecclesiastical authority."

    What pre-V2 Saint could find "legitimate eccles
    iastical authority" today? in Jorge the heretic? in the SSPX management? in Josh987654321/MarkM/Siscoe/Salza? in Vigano?

    Because of that, your once-accurate definition is a historical vestige adrift from today's reality.


    Just a reminder.