I read an article in Catholic Family News about the mother of John Bosco. (In November, the Vatican decreed her "venerable" because of her reputation for holiness.) Anyway, in the article it says that when she died, she appeared to her son, John Bosco, and told him to say some Masses for her because she was still in Purgatory. Now, his mother lived with John Bosco at the Oratory (she dedicated her last years to helping out with the boys at the Oratory). So, we know that she received Last Rites from her son. And we know that Last Rites include the Apostolic Blessing, which is a Plenary Indulgence. So, if she received a Plenary Indulgence before she died (and since she was holy we know that she received it with the right dispositions), then how come she ended up in Purgatory when the Plenary Indulgence should have remitted all her temportal punishments?

A priest in his homily once said that a particular saint (I forgot who) did a quick dip in Purgatory before going to Heaven (the saint appeared to another saint and revealed this). I have heard other stories of holy people who seemed to have ended up in Purgatory for a brief minute even though we know they most like received an Apostolic Blessing before they died.

If a holy woman and a saint received the Apostolic Blessing (and received it with the right dispostions since they spent their seeking the will of God), then how is it that they still ended up in Purgatory?

If the Apostolic Blessing didn't work for a holy person or a saint, then how can a Plenary Indulgence ever be effective for any of us "normal" devout Catholics? It would be impossible.

This does not show that they don't work what it demonstrates is how difficult it is to attain them.

Only God knows whether someone is of the necessary disposition needed to receive a plenary indulgence, As one becomes holier one does not cease to sin, if this was the case the Saints would not have made use of the Sacrament of Reconciliation.

What we should take from this is how far we have fallen and how  a high a standard we are called to if we would only surrender ourselves completely to God.

But if a saint or holy person doesn't have the proper disposition to receive a plenary indulgence, then we have no chance at all, because we are even less disposed than a holy person would be - so what is the use of even seeking one.

God wants us all to be Holy, I did not say that a Saint or holy person cannot have the proper disposition only that been such does not automatically qualify one as having the correct disposition at that paticular time when the possibility of a plenary indulgence can be obtained.

Plenary indulgences are rare, this shouldn't surprise us when we realise what the effect of them are, rather we should marvel at God's mercy for making them available to us at all.  Even if we fail to gain a Plenary Indulgence the effort is still rewarded with a partial indulgence which is extremely valuable in it's own right.

I think St. Dysmas is a good example of someone who received a plenary indulgence.  He was being crucified and declared that he deserved it.  He must have given up all attachment to sin, and his only concern was that Jesus was innocent, and he had no concern about his own fate.

So in St. Dysmas, we have an example of a saint who lived a sinful life up until his last moments, where he was redeemed and went straight to heaven.

When I'm attempting to gain plenary indulgences, I always offer them to my deceased loved ones.  Otherwise, I would feel they were worthless, as I know I'd ruin it within a matter of hours.

This does not show that they don't work what it demonstrates is how difficult it is to attain them.

Only God knows whether someone is of the necessary disposition needed to receive a plenary indulgence, As one becomes holier one does not cease to sin, if this was the case the Saints would not have made use of the Sacrament of Reconciliation.

What we should take from this is how far we have fallen and how  a high a standard we are called to if we would only surrender ourselves completely to God.

Replying to a 17-year-old thread isn't something I'd normally do, but "Sacrament of Reconciliation" is yet another lame attempt by Newchurch to re-image everything pertaining to the Catholic Faith.  It's a sentimentalistic, overwrought name that makes it sound as though the person who regularly goes to confession (but who does that anymore, outside of traditionalist circles?) has been some kind of hardened, long-lost prodigal who has to be brought back into the Church.

Just reading between the lines, as you so often have to do when dealing with Newchurch, it sounds like they are trying to recast confession into some kind of readmission ceremony for the fallen-away Catholic, and with a wink and a nod, telling regular practicing Catholics that you don't sin all that much, so you don't need to bother with it.

This one just beat the necro-bump record by about 7 months.  Other thread was from October 2007, and this one from March ... and CI appears to have been founded in August 2006.

https://www.cathinfo.com/the-sacred-catholic-liturgy-chant-prayers/october-month-of-the-holy-rosary/msg936062/#msg936062

I highly doubt any pope ever, gave over 14 million years for a single prayer/devotion.

I didn't even look at the link but ...

I guess a Pope COULD give such an indulgence since the Merits of Our Lord are infinite.  If it's true, I'm on it.  Hopefully even I'm not bad enough to have earned more than 14 million years in Purgatory, but just in case I can do them on Friday to get double that amount.

Replying to a 17-year-old thread ...

I was wondering why I didn't recognize any of the posters.