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Offline Emile

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Re: The Anti False Pope Has Died
« Reply #120 on: April 25, 2025, 02:48:35 PM »
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  • Do you aim to deceive me?

    The question above is under the section titled:



    "TEMPORAL MATTERS" being the key.
    The citation was offered simply to be helpful. You may accept or reject that as being my motivation but, either way, I am not interested in being pulled into your disequilibrium.
    I hold it true, whate'er befall;
    I feel it, when I sorrow most;
    'Tis better to have loved and lost
    Than never to have loved at all.
    (In Memoriam A. H. H., 27.13-17 Alfred, Lord Tennyson)

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    Re: The Anti False Pope Has Died
    « Reply #121 on: April 25, 2025, 03:59:48 PM »
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  • Your citation is bunk. It does not lend credence to Lad's claim that "catechisms before Vatican I denied papal infallibility". Because, as we all know, the pope, is not infallible in temporal matters. Keenan is addressing temporal matters NOT doctrinal or moral matters.

    What you call "disequilibrium" I call intellectual honesty.

    If you gave me the citation thinking it proved his point as an honest mistake - np.
    Johannes thank you for saying the bold, but don't you think you should lead with that.  If we just keep assuming the worst in people, then we will get the worst in people.
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"


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    Re: The Anti False Pope Has Died
    « Reply #122 on: April 25, 2025, 04:38:07 PM »
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  • I didn't "assume the worst". I simply asked. It was a bit suspicious to me that she omitted the title of the section that is immediately above the quote that supposedly "proved" Lad's claim. She could have easily added that. There were grounds for my suspicion. I didn't accuse, I asked - there is a difference. Then again, I happily grant that she didn't see that and it was an honest mistake.
    She is a he.  ;)  ...and if you click the original link he provided, you would see that the title is not omitted.  I suspect this was an honest mistake.

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    Re: The Anti False Pope Has Died
    « Reply #123 on: April 25, 2025, 04:56:32 PM »
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  • Is this helpful? (It was AI generated, so it might have some errors) 


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    Yes, many Irish catechisms and Catholic writings before Vatican I (1869-1870), which formally defined papal infallibility, either explicitly denied it or treated it as a matter of debate rather than a settled doctrine. This was particularly true in England and Ireland, where Gallican (or Gallicanism) ideas, which emphasized the authority of General Councils and bishops over the Pope, were prevalent. 

    Here's a more detailed explanation: 

    • Gallicanism:
      This theological perspective, common in some parts of Europe, emphasized the authority of General Councils and local bishops over the Pope in matters of faith and governance. It was not universally shared across all Catholic regions, and it was particularly associated with France and regions influenced by Gallican traditions.
    • Prior to Vatican I:
      Before the formal definition of papal infallibility at Vatican I, there was a range of views within the Catholic Church on the extent and nature of papal authority, including whether the Pope's pronouncements were infallible. Many theologians and scholars, especially in England and Ireland, questioned the doctrine of papal infallibility, viewing it as an interpretation that was not universally accepted within the Catholic faith.
    • Irish Catechisms:
      Many Irish catechisms before Vatican I reflected these views, often presenting papal authority in a way that did not explicitly endorse the doctrine of infallibility or treated it as a matter of ongoing debate within the Church. Some catechisms even explicitly denied or questioned the infallibility of the Pope's pronouncements.
    • Examples from Ireland:
      For example, Bishop Baine stated in 1822, "In England and Ireland I do not believe that any Catholic maintains the Infallibility of the Pope". Additionally, Professor Delahogue, in his 1829 work "On the Church," stated that the doctrine of papal infallibility could be denied without loss of faith or risk of heresy. Berrington and Kirk's 1830 Faith of Catholics also stated that papal decrees did not obligate interior assent if not derived from a General Council or general acceptance of the Church.
    • Vatican I:
      The First Vatican Council, convened in 1869-1870, formally defined the doctrine of papal infallibility, stating that the Pope, when speaking ex cathedra (from the chair of Peter), is preserved from error in matters of faith and morals. This definition was not universally accepted at the time, and it led to the formation of the Old Catholic Church by those who rejected the dogma.
    In summary, prior to Vatican I, many Irish catechisms and writings reflected a diverse range of views on papal authority, with some explicitly denying or questioning papal infallibility. The formal definition of papal infallibility at Vatican I was a significant development that brought the issue to the forefront and led to continued discussion and debate within the Catholic Church and beyond.

    Johannes you are always so full of questions and polls, but I want to know what exactly you believe is the truth about the current situation of the Catholic Church.
    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"

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    Re: The Anti False Pope Has Died
    « Reply #124 on: Yesterday at 06:19:17 AM »
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  • The lack of charity is scandalous.  Again, I say, if someone goes to hell, then the devil wins and God loses.  Some of you act as if the Church/God wins when sinners go to hell; it's the opposite.  You people need a reality check.  This is not some sport-game or politics - people going to hell is serious business.  God is not happy.  Our Lady is not happy.  But some of you seem to be?  :facepalm:
    You are either retarded or a severely duplicitous worm. God and the Church don't lose when a person goes to hell. God's Justice, by its very nature, is a perpetual win for eternity. You either reject ontological reality or you're severely limited in the cognitive realm. 

    Your boy, Borgoglio, is rotting in hell for eternity. 
    Dan shall be a serpent in the way, a viper by the path, that bites the horse's heels so his rider falls backward. ~ Genesis 49:17

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    Re: The Anti False Pope Has Died
    « Reply #125 on: Yesterday at 07:03:52 AM »
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  • Bergoglio's entire persona, especially his choosing the name Francis, was crafted to cloak his heresies under the guise of compassion and tolerance. Those two virtues were twisted to result in the very opposite of their meaning. Compassion and tolerance are echoed in virtually every news story about him and in all the accompanying comments, especially by non Catholics. 
    Obama used a similar facade, selling himself as the agent of "hope" and "change"
    when what one got was just more marxism and a grab for raw power. 
    Both men were known for persecuting their ideological enemies and a petty vindictiveness behind the glare of the spotlight. 
    Whether affected or not Bergoglio's voice made my skin crawl. It was devoid of anything masculine, along with his squishy plump physiognomy. Praise God I won't have to hear it anymore.
    Further news reports from the Vatican confirm that he didn't receive the sacraments and had a massive heart attack while in a coma so the likelihood of an act of contrition, much less a perfect one is extremely doubtful. 

    I think Lad said that his evil died with him and it's time to move on. Nope, the evil he wrought will continue on 
    until the restoration of the Church. He picked over 80% of the cardinals who will select his successor. He planned his
    evil so it couldn't be undone after his death, but might ensnare more souls for generations to come.
    Whether it was supporting climate change fairytales, blessing sodomite relationships, religious indifferentism, attacking the Tridentine mass, open borders, the WEF and Davos crowd couldn't have asked for a more willing and useful tool.
    Truly, he was one of the worst human beings to ever slither across the earth