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Offline Tallinn Trad

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Sabattean Frankism as the root cause of infiltration.
« on: November 27, 2019, 05:49:34 AM »
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    • Sabbatean Frankism is mentioned by David Icke in this interview at or around the nine minute mark.  I 'd  never heard of that term (Sabbatean Frankism) until Icke mentioned it.  It appears to be heavily connected with the Kabbalah and pedophilic networks



    Icke appears to have arrived at a mechanism how the CC was infiltrated, without any references to the same sources.  Which could suggest he is onto something.

    Anyone here heard of Sabbatean Frankism?  If so, could you please recommend a worthwhile book or website?
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    Offline josefamenendez

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    Re: Sabattean Frankism as the root cause of infiltration.
    « Reply #1 on: November 27, 2019, 09:00:59 AM »
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    • I'm didn't watch the vide but I'm surmising it has to do with the Franfurt School
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    Re: Sabattean Frankism as the root cause of infiltration.
    « Reply #2 on: November 27, 2019, 09:06:41 AM »
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    • I was wrong, it is about Satanist Jacob Frank, the originator. There are lots of sites dedicated to this but many are not appropriate for posting by me
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    Offline Tallinn Trad

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    Re: Sabattean Frankism as the root cause of infiltration.
    « Reply #3 on: November 27, 2019, 11:04:36 AM »
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    • I found it curious, that such a perverted occultist who had the idea of inverting everything, and encouraging his followers to sin to bring about the end, then became a Roman Catholic, along with many (100,000?) of his cultish followers.  It wasn't a sincere conversation for him or them, but somehow he managed to finagle his way into the Royal Houses of Europe and maintain influence despite that.

    What's missing is a clear connection to the twentieth century infiltration after that.  It seems the line dies out and there is no continuum.  I have to get hold of Icke's book and see whether he makes one.

    I wonder why the Royal Houses of Europe and senior churchmen were not more circuмspect and suspicious of such "converts" given their background.  Did they see baptism as a sort of sterilization of those perversions and rely on it too heavily perhaps?

    e.g.  If Hans Kung had joined the SSPX in 1990 would traditionists simply trust him or view his every moving through the lens of suspicion until his death?

    Did the RCC ever have a policy of not trusting converts with prior perverted and anti-catholic agendas?
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    Re: Sabattean Frankism as the root cause of infiltration.
    « Reply #4 on: November 27, 2019, 12:13:33 PM »
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    • Quote from: Tallinn Trad on November 27, 2019, 11:04:36 AM
    Did the RCC ever have a policy of not trusting converts with prior perverted and anti-catholic agendas?

    Yes. I am no historian, but I thought making sure converted Jews were not infiltrators or marannos was one of the reasons for the Spanish Inquisition.
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    Re: Sabattean Frankism as the root cause of infiltration.
    « Reply #5 on: November 27, 2019, 12:37:11 PM »
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    • What was the threat perceived as back then?

    Infiltration or something else?
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    Re: Sabattean Frankism as the root cause of infiltration.
    « Reply #6 on: November 27, 2019, 04:00:04 PM »
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    • The threat is always the destruction of the Catholic Church as the jews cannot universally rule with an intact Catholic Papacy and strong Catholic presence in the world. ( I'm sure they are very hopeful right about now)
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    Re: Sabattean Frankism as the root cause of infiltration.
    « Reply #7 on: November 27, 2019, 04:18:13 PM »
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    • Quote from: Tallinn Trad on November 27, 2019, 11:04:36 AM
    I found it curious, that such a perverted occultist who had the idea of inverting everything, and encouraging his followers to sin to bring about the end, then became a Roman Catholic, along with many (100,000?) of his cultish followers.  It wasn't a sincere conversation for him or them, but somehow he managed to finagle his way into the Royal Houses of Europe and maintain influence despite that.

    What's missing is a clear connection to the twentieth century infiltration after that.  It seems the line dies out and there is no continuum.  I have to get hold of Icke's book and see whether he makes one.

    I wonder why the Royal Houses of Europe and senior churchmen were not more circuмspect and suspicious of such "converts" given their background.  Did they see baptism as a sort of sterilization of those perversions and rely on it too heavily perhaps?

    e.g.  If Hans Kung had joined the SSPX in 1990 would traditionists simply trust him or view his every moving through the lens of suspicion until his death?

    Did the RCC ever have a policy of not trusting converts with prior perverted and anti-catholic agendas?
    What is your source for saying that Jacob Frank & followers converted to Roman Catholic-- Icke does not specifically say that.. :confused:
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    Re: Sabattean Frankism as the root cause of infiltration.
    « Reply #8 on: November 27, 2019, 04:35:26 PM »
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    • Quote from: roscoe on November 27, 2019, 04:18:13 PM
    What is your source for saying that Jacob Frank & followers converted to Roman Catholic-- Icke does not specifically say that.. :confused:
    Pretty much any source would say it.  Just search on Jakob Frank.  They were a weird Jєωιѕн sect that all became Catholic together.  But Frank was almost immediately charged with heresy (justly so) and imprisoned so it does not seem like a good model for infiltration.
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    Re: Sabattean Frankism as the root cause of infiltration.
    « Reply #9 on: November 27, 2019, 06:01:13 PM »
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    • Quote from: roscoe on November 27, 2019, 04:18:13 PM
    What is your source for saying that Jacob Frank & followers converted to Roman Catholic-- Icke does not specifically say that.. :confused:
    https://www.britannica.com/biography/Jacob-Frank
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    Re: Sabattean Frankism as the root cause of infiltration.
    « Reply #10 on: November 27, 2019, 10:37:29 PM »
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    • Thanks for replies-- I had forgotten the comical 'conversion' of the Frankist. OTOH-- it seems a few actually did become RCatholics in the end.. :cheers:
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    Re: Sabattean Frankism as the root cause of infiltration.
    « Reply #11 on: November 28, 2019, 06:11:51 AM »
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    • Did they? Or did they simply infiltrate and do damage?

    How is it that good pious souls, clergy are not incharge and making decisions almost anywhere in the CC?  They were squeezed out.

    I don't believe in group conversions from a satanic messianic cult to sincere Catholic.  Individual cases perhaps, but these are rare and still need skeptical enquiry.

    How did thinking Catholics in the late 18C accept this as realistic?
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    Re: Sabattean Frankism as the root cause of infiltration.
    « Reply #12 on: November 28, 2019, 06:42:00 AM »
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    • Quote from: Tallinn Trad on November 28, 2019, 06:11:51 AM
    How did thinking Catholics in the late 18C accept this as realistic?

    From what I have read, most Catholics were suspicious, but there was one bishop in particular who protected them, a Bishop Dembowski.  Here is an article that presents a theory that the Frankists were able to win favour by attacking other Jews, for example, rejecting and publicly arguing against the тαℓмυd and claiming that were Jews guilty of reprehensible practices.  https://culture.pl/en/article/does-jacob-frank-hold-a-key-to-polish-culture-0 
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    Re: Sabattean Frankism as the root cause of infiltration.
    « Reply #13 on: November 28, 2019, 11:23:16 AM »
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    • Thank you kindly.  I'd already read that.
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    Re: Sabattean Frankism as the root cause of infiltration.
    « Reply #14 on: November 28, 2019, 11:47:08 AM »
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