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Offline StLouisIX

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The Dead Internet Theory
« on: February 15, 2023, 07:34:03 PM »
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  • A fascinating video. We should consider this in light of how the internationalists have evidently rigged the Internet. From the description:


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    The "Dead Internet" theory proposes that the Internet is "dead". How can a bundle of tubes, cords, and clouds be dead? The name is misleading (and maybe misapplied), but it is not totally incorrect. The Internet suffers a unique form of entropy. Websites, data, and users all exist in a social-technological ecosystem many will do not realize. Everyone (even you) are in this box. The problem is: parts of the box appear to be defunct or not available at all.

    The Internet is essentially a game of shadows. Users have to guess at most of what is "there". A problem when most of the modern Internet functions largely in the background. This has produced an eternally repeating cycle around a chain of a dozen "central" websites. The centralization of the Internet has produced a system that does not appear to be there at all. Maybe no one is there anyways...

    Could the Internet just be empty?


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    Re: The Dead Internet Theory
    « Reply #1 on: February 15, 2023, 07:53:31 PM »
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  • There was a thread on this a year ago, but I can't remember what it was called. It's really crazy just how small and boxed in the internet has become. I remember being able to find all number of interesting and different sites back in High School, but now, it's like the same handful.

    Truthstream had a good video on it
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]


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    Re: The Dead Internet Theory
    « Reply #2 on: February 15, 2023, 08:00:45 PM »
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  • I was astonished when I first came across this phenomenon of fake search results that just repeat, given how easy it was to find endless information in the past. Did no one create a usable copy of Google's search engine from~10-15 years ago?
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    Re: The Dead Internet Theory
    « Reply #3 on: February 15, 2023, 08:09:27 PM »
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  • I was astonished when I first came across this phenomenon of fake search results that just repeat, given how easy it was to find endless information in the past. Did no one create a usable copy of Google's search engine from~10-15 years ago?
    You just hit gatekeeper after gatekeeper. If I could find the original thread, some of us tested this out and you get to maybe 100 pages before the "1 million results" turns out to be closer to 1,000; many of which are repeated sites. I honestly don't think the sites that once existed are even around anymore, even if you had a direct link.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]

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    Re: The Dead Internet Theory
    « Reply #4 on: February 15, 2023, 08:16:11 PM »
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  • As someone who was coming of age just as the Internet was going public, I can attest that something has majorly changed with the Internet.

    You used to be able to find all kinds of sites, large and small, every point of view. Now it's all a dozen sites, like they say. It's all curated content, and the "etc." is mostly Potemkin villages, a.k.a. fake cardboard cutouts you can't actually access or explore.

    And don't get me started on the move from individual websites (even if free crappy "websites" like Geocities or Yahoo) and the modern Social Media. Social Media is far too centralized and they have power to turn you off completely.
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    Re: The Dead Internet Theory
    « Reply #5 on: February 15, 2023, 08:36:59 PM »
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  • As someone who was coming of age just as the Internet was going public, I can attest that something has majorly changed with the Internet.

    You used to be able to find all kinds of sites, large and small, every point of view. Now it's all a dozen sites, like they say. It's all curated content, and the "etc." is mostly Potemkin villages, a.k.a. fake cardboard cutouts you can't actually access or explore.

    And don't get me started on the move from individual websites (even if free crappy "websites" like Geocities or Yahoo) and the modern Social Media. Social Media is far too centralized and they have power to turn you off completely.

    I was born in the early 90s, and, boy, how I miss the old internet.

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    Re: The Dead Internet Theory
    « Reply #6 on: February 15, 2023, 09:22:51 PM »
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  • Another comment --

    She makes a good point about the NATURE of old websites vs. posts on Social Media today. You made your cheesy little website, you posted what you were interested in, and that was that. There was no "cancel culture". EVEN IF Geocities COULD theoretically cancel you, they didn't. It just wasn't a thing. It was gloriously free, like the Wild West in a GOOD way.
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    Re: The Dead Internet Theory
    « Reply #7 on: February 15, 2023, 09:49:37 PM »
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  • I second the recommendation for everyone to watch this video! This is what first opened my eyes to the topic.
    And yes, I tried this out for myself, and it's true. The "billion results" are always nonexistent and fake.


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    Re: The Dead Internet Theory
    « Reply #8 on: February 16, 2023, 09:29:12 AM »
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  • As someone who was coming of age just as the Internet was going public, I can attest that something has majorly changed with the Internet.

    You used to be able to find all kinds of sites, large and small, every point of view. Now it's all a dozen sites, like they say. It's all curated content, and the "etc." is mostly Potemkin villages, a.k.a. fake cardboard cutouts you can't actually access or explore.

    And don't get me started on the move from individual websites (even if free crappy "websites" like Geocities or Yahoo) and the modern Social Media. Social Media is far too centralized and they have power to turn you off completely.
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    Oh yeah, me too. There are two things here: one is that websites that say thingis the government doesn't want you to hear just don't show up in search engines, so if you don't know their URL, you can't view them.

    The other thing is that search engines used to work like a hard drive search. In any operating system, you can search your files for any file with a string of characters in its name, or you can even search the contents of file. If you have a recipe for chocolate chip cookies, even if the file doesn't have those words in it, you can search your hard drive for any file containing "chocolate chip cookies" and it'll come up in the results.

    The internet used to work that way too. If you remembered so much as a couple of words in a row on any website, you could find that website with a search engine. For example, let's say you were reading about street luging, and the article quoted one enthusiastic luger who said "I'm going to go big, or go home in an ambulance!" That is a fairly unique statement, so you could Google the words "go big or go home in an ambulance" and it would be the first result in the list because it found that string in that website, even though you didn't mention anything about luging in your search query. Now, if you were to type that in, it would just give you websites to ambulance companies.

    I used to wonder why I couldn't find things I had read a long time ago using this type of search, of just a few consecutive key words, and then when I saw the video I understood. You can't know something is hidden if you don't know it has been hidden from you.

    I really miss the real internet, but it appears to be gone forever. I don't think there are any more search engines that work like a hard drive search function of the internet anymore.

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    Re: The Dead Internet Theory
    « Reply #9 on: February 16, 2023, 09:37:21 AM »
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  • Oh, and it's not a theory. It's a fact that anyone can verify for himself by typing some search terms into Google. :facepalm:

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    Re: The Dead Internet Theory
    « Reply #10 on: February 16, 2023, 01:13:05 PM »
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    Oh yeah, me too. There are two things here: one is that websites that say thingis the government doesn't want you to hear just don't show up in search engines, so if you don't know their URL, you can't view them.

    The other thing is that search engines used to work like a hard drive search. In any operating system, you can search your files for any file with a string of characters in its name, or you can even search the contents of file. If you have a recipe for chocolate chip cookies, even if the file doesn't have those words in it, you can search your hard drive for any file containing "chocolate chip cookies" and it'll come up in the results.

    The internet used to work that way too. If you remembered so much as a couple of words in a row on any website, you could find that website with a search engine. For example, let's say you were reading about street luging, and the article quoted one enthusiastic luger who said "I'm going to go big, or go home in an ambulance!" That is a fairly unique statement, so you could Google the words "go big or go home in an ambulance" and it would be the first result in the list because it found that string in that website, even though you didn't mention anything about luging in your search query. Now, if you were to type that in, it would just give you websites to ambulance companies.

    I used to wonder why I couldn't find things I had read a long time ago using this type of search, of just a few consecutive key words, and then when I saw the video I understood. You can't know something is hidden if you don't know it has been hidden from you.

    I really miss the real internet, but it appears to be gone forever. I don't think there are any more search engines that work like a hard drive search function of the internet anymore.
    It was so nice to be able to do that. And it really wasn't that long ago that you could. Then in the past 5 years it seems like you can't find anything that isn't on Wikipedia anymore. My mind still operates on the "hard drive search" basis with search engines because that's how it always used to be and what I grew up with.

    Now I have to spend half an hour or more trying to find something I could in less than a minute previously.
    "Be not therefore solicitous for tomorrow; for the morrow will be solicitous for itself. Sufficient for the day is the evil thereof." [Matt. 6:34]

    "In all thy works remember thy last end, and thou shalt never sin." [Ecclus. 7:40]

    "A holy man continueth in wisdom as the sun: but a fool is changed as the moon." [Ecclus. 27:12]


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    Re: The Dead Internet Theory
    « Reply #11 on: February 16, 2023, 04:38:40 PM »
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  • Oh, and it's not a theory. It's a fact that anyone can verify for himself by typing some search terms into Google. :facepalm:

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    Re: The Dead Internet Theory
    « Reply #12 on: February 16, 2023, 07:02:55 PM »
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  • I really miss the real internet, but it appears to be gone forever. I don't think there are any more search engines that work like a hard drive search function of the internet anymore.
    Yandex maybe? The internet has been around for a while too, so a lot of the stuff you used to find will no longer exist, unless stored in an Archive.
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    Re: The Dead Internet Theory
    « Reply #13 on: February 17, 2023, 07:00:12 AM »
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  • As a young man who grew up alongside this transformation/standardization of the Internet, I can attest to the fact that most of the unique websites I know about were either sent to me by someone who already found them, or by seeing them mentioned/discussed in a YouTube video. The Internet was never really truly decentralized, but it certainly pulled off a better impression of being that way in its early phase.

    That the search engines used to function like a hard drive search is quite new to me. I don’t think I have ever heard about that before.

    And speaking of search engines, I find this one to be helpful:https://presearch.com/

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    Re: The Dead Internet Theory
    « Reply #14 on: February 17, 2023, 07:58:12 AM »
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  • I have observed this strange phenomenon myself.