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Offline HolyAngels

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Re: *Catholic Knight*
« Reply #45 on: January 04, 2023, 12:06:37 AM »
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    • Quote from: Yeti on January 03, 2023, 11:21:36 AM
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    He had a strange tag line that said, "There is no such thing as sedevacantism."

    I always wondered, if that's true, then what is it that I believe in? :trollface:
    I was being facetious but on a serious note I don't think it matters what the definition is. If someone walks up to me and says "I don't think Francis is pope. What do you think ?" My reply would be "I think you may be right"
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    Re: *Catholic Knight*
    « Reply #46 on: January 04, 2023, 12:56:59 AM »
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    • Quote from: SeanJohnson on January 03, 2023, 07:33:55 PM
    Correct: Sedes of all stripes declare an empty See (including Bennyv’s).

    Yes, I already said that Bennyvacantists are SVs, despite their denials.

    But your term “sedes” is highly inaccurate.  You are a sedeplenist, Father Chazal a sedeimpoundist, and others are sedeprivationists.  These are all “sedes” including yourself ... since we’re talking about terms now.
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    Re: *Catholic Knight*
    « Reply #47 on: January 04, 2023, 12:58:31 AM »
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    • Quote from: HolyAngels on January 04, 2023, 12:06:37 AM
    I was being facetious but on a serious note I don't think it matters what the definition is. If someone walks up to me and says "I don't think Francis is pope. What do you think ?" My reply would be "I think you may be right"

    And my reply would be, “Ah, so you’re a Catholic.  Nice to meet you.”
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    Re: *Catholic Knight*
    « Reply #48 on: January 04, 2023, 06:53:02 AM »
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    • Those who believe that Benedict XVI was pope and that we are now in a period of "sede vacante" are not "Sedevacantists".  No Sedevacantist group would consider them like minded and hence consider them as "Sedevacantists".  To take a term (i.e., Sedevacantist) that was invented after Vatican II and that has been classically and commonly understood to mean those who do not accept the conciliar popes as true popes on account of their heresies and then apply that term on December 31, 2022 to those who held Benedict XVI and all the conciliar popes as true popes is nonsense. 

    I am done with this discussion.
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    Re: *Catholic Knight*
    « Reply #49 on: January 04, 2023, 07:06:05 AM »
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    • From Fred and Bob's "Glossary of Terms and Principles":

    Sedevacante; sedevacantist position – Sede is Latin for “chair” and Vacante is Latin for “empty.” A sedevacante period is a period when there is no pope: the Chair of St. Peter is empty. This usually occurs after the death of a pope or after a pope’s resignation; this has occurred over 200 times in Church history, and has lasted for years at times.  The doctors of the Church also teach that the Chair of Peter would become vacant if a pope were to become a manifest heretic. The sedevacantist position describes the position of traditional Catholics who hold that the Chair of St. Peter is presently vacant because the man in Rome can be proven to be a public heretic, and therefore not a true pope.
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    Re: *Catholic Knight*
    « Reply #50 on: January 04, 2023, 07:10:55 AM »
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    • Quote from: Catholic Knight on January 04, 2023, 06:53:02 AM
    Those who believe that Benedict XVI was pope and that we are now in a period of "sede vacante" are not "Sedevacantists".  No Sedevacantist group would consider them like minded and hence consider them as "Sedevacantists".  To take a term (i.e., Sedevacantist) that was invented after Vatican II and that has been classically and commonly understood to mean those who do not accept the conciliar popes as true popes on account of their heresies and then apply that term on December 31, 2022 to those who held Benedict XVI and all the conciliar popes as true popes is nonsense.

    I am done with this discussion.
    Perhaps you are done with the discussion but just putting this out there...

    The question for the Bennyvacantist people is:

    Why do the heresies of Francis disqualify him

    while the blatant heresies and apostasy of the others do not?

    If it's because the election was invalid then

    how can the election of the others be valid when they 

    have left the Church by public apostasy and 

    promote a non-Catholic religion?


    Non Catholics cannot be elected pope.
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    Re: *Catholic Knight*
    « Reply #51 on: January 04, 2023, 07:11:22 AM »
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    • Quote from: Catholic Knight on January 04, 2023, 06:53:02 AM
    Those who believe that Benedict XVI was pope and that we are now in a period of "sede vacante" are not "Sedevacantists".  No Sedevacantist group would consider them like minded and hence consider them as "Sedevacantists".  To take a term (i.e., Sedevacantist) that was invented after Vatican II and that has been classically and commonly understood to mean those who do not accept the conciliar popes as true popes on account of their heresies and then apply that term on December 31, 2022 to those who held Benedict XVI and all the conciliar popes as true popes is nonsense.

    I am done with this discussion.

    You are sedevacantist because we know that you must reject all future claimants as antipopes (the conclaves being illegitimate, the electors having been placed by an alleged imposter).

    Your protests and semantics are in vain.
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    Re: *Catholic Knight*
    « Reply #52 on: January 04, 2023, 07:49:13 AM »
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    • Quote from: Catholic Knight on January 04, 2023, 06:53:02 AM
    Those who believe that Benedict XVI was pope and that we are now in a period of "sede vacante" are not "Sedevacantists".  No Sedevacantist group would consider them like minded and hence consider them as "Sedevacantists".  To take a term (i.e., Sedevacantist) that was invented after Vatican II and that has been classically and commonly understood to mean those who do not accept the conciliar popes as true popes on account of their heresies and then apply that term on December 31, 2022 to those who held Benedict XVI and all the conciliar popes as true popes is nonsense.

    I am done with this discussion.
    :laugh1: This topic was never a discussion for you.  It took you a week from the other thread (Benedict Nearing Death) to actually provide your own definition.  When you asked me to repeat my definition when you originally responded to this thread, it was clear to me that you were just a troll.  I don't waste my time with trolls.
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    Re: *Catholic Knight*
    « Reply #53 on: January 04, 2023, 09:01:41 AM »
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    • Quote from: Catholic Knight on January 04, 2023, 06:53:02 AM
    Those who believe that Benedict XVI was pope and that we are now in a period of "sede vacante" are not "Sedevacantists".  No Sedevacantist group would consider them like minded and hence consider them as "Sedevacantists".  To take a term (i.e., Sedevacantist) that was invented after Vatican II and that has been classically and commonly understood to mean those who do not accept the conciliar popes as true popes on account of their heresies and then apply that term on December 31, 2022 to those who held Benedict XVI and all the conciliar popes as true popes is nonsense.

    I am done with this discussion.

    I think that's too narrow.  Simply because SVs disagree on various other points doesn't make them not SVs.
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    Re: *Catholic Knight*
    « Reply #54 on: January 04, 2023, 09:11:16 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on January 04, 2023, 09:01:41 AM
    I think that's too narrow.  Simply because SVs disagree on various other points doesn't make them not SVs.

    Precisely.
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    Re: *Catholic Knight*
    « Reply #55 on: January 04, 2023, 09:14:48 AM »
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    • I think there are legitimate grounds for Catholic Knight's definition, but the problem with it is that one of the arguments contra the Sedevacantists is that there would be popes in perpetuity. While Sedes have argued against that in that we have had antipopes, I think the response to that is, we have always had a legitimate pope at the same time.

    Now, the Bennys are confronted with a false pope on the chair, no legitimate pope reigning, and are confronted with break in the perpetuity of legitimate pontiffs absent the periods when there is no pontiff, false or true - the normal sedevancy upon the death of a true pope.

    The gun of the perpetuity argument now points at them, no?
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