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Traditional Catholic Faith => Crisis in the Church => Topic started by: Caminus on August 05, 2009, 12:46:44 AM
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Whoever might have personal knowledge of this "monastery" please contact me via PM. For example, do they follow an "horarium" or daily schedule? If so, do they follow it religiously? Are there any photographs of this "monastery" available to view? What is the name and/or affiliation of the priest that offers Mass at the "monastery" and/or administers the other sacraments? Where, when and in front of whom did these gentlemen profess final vows?
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So I take it these fellows get peevish when questions about
where they go to Mass, where they received their religious
formation, who is their superior etc. are asked?
I think they are part of a Stanford University social
engineering psy-op group. Stanford Research Association,
they were into some heavy psycic stuff back when...
But they are bright and sometimes very entertaining, and
nobody can say they are not hard workers
Even if they began with sincere good will, it seems more
obvious every day that lack of supervision and accountability
destroys the life of a religious.
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Maybe this would have been good information to get before doing this
Maybe the three of you should get together for a comedy routine. Too bad you can't call yourself the Three Stooges. Do you think the Three Nitwits would work?
I'm not even going to ask what exactly you mean by the above comment. The fact that you take each other so seriously is quite humorous. Maybe you wrote it upon waking, or while consuming large amounts of alcohol, because the only thing more bizarre, albeit not by much, is the unreferenced monologue which distorts reality they posted about an exchange, if you could call it that. What's the point? No one can refer to what the hell their talking about. It's good for them because they do not want anyone reading our exchange for it was most uncomplimentary. They derived some kind of satisfaction by making reference to an unsourced conversation, basically saying, "There's this one guy out there, yeah, he's an eeevil heretic, he's an example of all that is wrong and eeevil, but we won't show you why or how, just take our word for it." Truly bizarre, but fascinating at the same time.
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So I take it these fellows get peevish when questions about
where they go to Mass, where they received their religious
formation, who is their superior etc. are asked?
I think they are part of a Stanford University social
engineering psy-op group. Stanford Research Association,
they were into some heavy psycic stuff back when...
But they are bright and sometimes very entertaining, and
nobody can say they are not hard workers
Even if they began with sincere good will, it seems more
obvious every day that lack of supervision and accountability
destroys the life of a religious.
And that's what I'm trying to discover. That's why I would like to talk to someone with first-hand knowledge of this place. Do they sit around and watch T.V. for example? See, the problem is that their little website gives them an air of standing, especially asserting that they are an actual monastery, publicly teaching the Catholic faith. If they are frauds, which I'm sure they are, it would be good to get that information out that. The fact they they stone-walled me on providing basic information is telling.
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:scratchchin:
Well, they did allow that guy who believes himself to be Elias or Enoch or something to become a brother there.
And that other dude who gave them $1 million in order to join up.
You'd think with all of that self-professed expertise in Catholicism stuff like that wouldn't be happening.
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I used to want to join them. When I asked them these questions, they told me to call them, but they never called back.
From what I can see, their monastery looks very much like a house; they must spend much time on the internet recording their talks and materials, etc; and their website says that they pray a few prayers daily along with 15 decade rosary. I have heard that they receive the sacraments from a Byzantine Catholic priest.
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I used to want to join them. When I asked them these questions, they told me to call them, but they never called back.
From what I can see, their monastery looks very much like a house; they must spend much time on the internet recording their talks and materials, etc; and their website says that they pray a few prayers daily along with 15 decade rosary. I have heard that they receive the sacraments from a Byzantine Catholic priest.
A priest who is in communion with the arch-heretic Ratzinger I suppose. But according to their standards, anyone who is "communion" with Ratzinger is, by that fact, also a heretic and schismatic. So they have a hypocritical double standard.
I'm not surprised they didn't call you back for they fear being found out. Praying a few times a day along with the Rosary doesn't amount to practicing the religious life either. The Benedictine rule is not that superficial.
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And that's what I'm trying to discover. That's why I would like to talk to someone with first-hand knowledge of this place. Do they sit around and watch T.V. for example? See, the problem is that their little website gives them an air of standing, especially asserting that they are an actual monastery, publicly teaching the Catholic faith. If they are frauds, which I'm sure they are, it would be good to get that information out that. The fact they they stone-walled me on providing basic information is telling.
There were not always sedes from what I understand. Someone who might know something about them is John Vennari of Catholic Family News. He worked with them in the early 90's.
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Lucky for the seminary who gets their hands on you, Vladfimir.
But perhaps you did not have $1 Million to donate to the cause?
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I registered here to give a little info on the origins of the Most Holy Family Monastery.
Most Holy Family Monastery was founded in the late sixties in Berlin, New Jersey by Joseph Natale, a native of Philadelphia. The Monastery was an attempt to be a traditional Benedictine Monastery, and for a time John Vennari was a brother there. He left in the early nineties. During the eighties there were 10 monks, but eventually the number of Monks was reduced to 3. Brother Joseph passed away in 1995, and Brother Michael Dimond was named the superior.
When Brother Joseph was in charge, the Monastery was traditionalist; priests such as Fr. Paul Wickens would provide Mass and the Sacraments for the Brothers, and the faithful who attended. But they were not sedevacantists. The Monastery(when in Jersey) hosted many wonderful weekend conferences that included speakers like Michael Davies, David Allen White, Gary Potter, Fr. Nicholas Gruner, Gerry Matatics, and many others.
Brother Joseph also owned property in upstate NY, and this is where Brother Michael moved. He sold the property in Jersey to a group of traditional Catholics who attended the Monastery regularly. Fr. William Ashley was the priest in residence from 1998 to 2001. Now the priest in residence is Fr. Robert Pasley. Mass is offered daily in the Tridentine Rite(the property operates with the full permission of the Camden Archdiocese).
When Brother Michael moved to New York, he took a sedevacantist position. And that's about all I know.
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Hi Larry. Thanks for the info.
So I presume that the Dimond Bros are NOT operating under the Camden Diocese, it is the former MHFM in NJ?
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Do they sit around and watch T.V. for example?
Yes they watch sports. I think that's worldly.
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Do they sit around and watch T.V. for example?
Yes they watch sports. I think that's worldly.
Yes, that is worldy. Can you tell me how you know about this information?
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I asked them what they do for recreation.
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I am disturb that they have a television in their monastery.
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How exactly do we know they have a T.V.? We don't. Some guy on a forum said it.
And which of us is so perfectly withdrawn from the world that we should be casting stones anyway?
The Dimonds have heresies and schismatic positions. Expose them, refute them and warn others about them.
Take your high-school holier than thou gossip to YouTube, where it belongs (actually it doesn't belong anywhere, so just cut it out).
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And which of us is so perfectly withdrawn from the world that we should be casting stones anyway?
Also, let me be the first to answer this: Not I.
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You don't see a problem with monks, religious who have specifically renounced the world, having and watching television? You and me don't live in monasteries. For the religious, watching television would be like me quitting my jobs and refusing to support my family. It amounts to a violation of duty.
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I don't see the merit in judging someone based on speculation of something that may or may not be when I am a sinner myself.
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I know they are heretics. I will expose their heresies. Anything beyond that is unjust calumniation, unless I know of something about them that needs to be exposed for the sake of others' salvation or well being. I do not.
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More debates...
http://www.catholicintl.com/epologetics/dialog.htm#6 (http://www.catholicintl.com/epologetics/dialog.htm#6)
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Sungenis believes the Sun rev around the Earth.
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Apparently he also believes that Ben 16 is Pope.
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How exactly do we know they have a T.V.? We don't. Some guy on a forum said it.
And which of us is so perfectly withdrawn from the world that we should be casting stones anyway?
The Dimonds have heresies and schismatic positions. Expose them, refute them and warn others about them.
Take your high-school holier than thou gossip to YouTube, where it belongs (actually it doesn't belong anywhere, so just cut it out).
Where have I gossip?
I do not know if they have a television, but based on the information given by caio, who I think is a credible source, they do. And it is not fitting for a monk to watch television in a monastery.
Your post is very ironic.
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Where have I gossip?
I wasn't addressing this to you.
...it is not fitting for a monk to watch television in a monastery.
This is a true statement.
Your post is very ironic.
Why? Do I gossip?
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How exactly do we know they have a T.V.? We don't. Some guy on a forum said it.
And which of us is so perfectly withdrawn from the world that we should be casting stones anyway?
Caio said he asked them if they have television and what they watch on it. I doubt Caio would be lying. I found out the priests and brothers of EWTN watched sports on television (I was the one who donated the TV to them at the time and personally talked to the priest there). This is even before EWTN fell into the hands of the neo-cons, when Mother Angelica was still in control. Like the brothers at Holy Monastary, they only watched TV for sports. But look where it got them. One of the priests had an affair with a divorced woman (and, I believe, left the priesthood.). The rest have fallen into modernist heresies. If they had spent more time praying, as they should have, instead of watching TV, then maybe they wouldn't become what they have become.
P.S. Anyway, how is it possible to watch anything on TV, including sports, without being subjected to the immoest commercials. You never know when the sports program is going to stop for a commerical and, by the time you turn the channel, it's too late - you've already caught glimpses of the immodesty.
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P.S. Anyway, how is it possible to watch anything on TV, including sports, without being subjected to the immoest commercials. You never know when the sports program is going to stop for a commerical and, by the time you turn the channel, it's too late - you've already caught glimpses of the immodesty.
O what a sick world! :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry:
O my God, get me outta here! When it pleases Thy infinite Majesty.
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Alex, you are correct, but, it is two that I know of that have run off with women. And, two that were affiliated with EWTN that were charged as homo/pedophiles.
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Sungenis believes the Sun rev around the Earth.
maybe it does, maybe it does not..He wrote a 1000 page report on it with copious footnotes...do you have one to offer??
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How exactly do we know they have a T.V.? We don't. Some guy on a forum said it.
And which of us is so perfectly withdrawn from the world that we should be casting stones anyway?
Caio said he asked them if they have television and what they watch on it. I doubt Caio would be lying. I found out the priests and brothers of EWTN watched sports on television (I was the one who donated the TV to them at the time and personally talked to the priest there). This is even before EWTN fell into the hands of the neo-cons, when Mother Angelica was still in control. Like the brothers at Holy Monastary, they only watched TV for sports. But look where it got them. One of the priests had an affair with a divorced woman (and, I believe, left the priesthood.). The rest have fallen into modernist heresies. If they had spent more time praying, as they should have, instead of watching TV, then maybe they wouldn't become what they have become.
P.S. Anyway, how is it possible to watch anything on TV, including sports, without being subjected to the immoest commercials. You never know when the sports program is going to stop for a commerical and, by the time you turn the channel, it's too late - you've already caught glimpses of the immodesty.
What I exactly asked them was what the schedule was like there (this was when I was interested in joining them about 2 years ago) and one of thing Eric mentioned was recreation. So I asked them what they do for recreation, and one of the things he mentioned was "Watch TV. Things that are not bad." I asked what they watch on TV and he said "Sports."
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Sungenis believes the Sun rev around the Earth.
maybe it does, maybe it does not..He wrote a 1000 page report on it with copious footnotes...do you have one to offer??
My Galileo research is posted here
http://firstjesuits.wordpress.com
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Mr Sungenis does not have even a clue that the 'Galileo' case is not about astronomy, but physics.
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Mr Sungenis does not have even a clue that the 'Galileo' case is not about astronomy, but physics.
will let him know his yrs of research debunked by a few blogs......
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Mr Sungenis does not have even a clue that the 'Galileo' case is not about astronomy, but physics.
Quick answer, then-what revolves around what?
sun around earth, Earth around the sun...?
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Mr Sungenis does not have even a clue that the 'Galileo' case is not about astronomy, but physics.
Quick answer, then-what revolves around what?
sun around earth, Earth around the sun...?
got your summary, heliocentricism then...I myself do not have either system 100%, could be either....does not keep me up at nights......thanks for your insight. :smile:
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If you are getting from my research that I believe in Helio-centrism, this is not correct.
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If you are getting from my research that I believe in Helio-centrism, this is not correct.
Please expalin a little, if you will....
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I cannot explain it any better than what is contained in the Real Galileo post. The Earth is the center of the Universe in a spiritual sense and that is, after all what Catholics are primarily concerned with.
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I cannot explain it any better than what is contained in the Real Galileo post. The Earth is the center of the Universe in a spiritual sense and that is, after all what Catholics are primarily concerned with.
That sums it up nicely. I do not know for sure what goes around what either. But that sentence is wonderful. For obvious reasons that is what Catholics are concerned with.
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I completely and firmly believe the earth is fixed at the center of the universe in a physical sense.
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Video playlist concerning geocentrism (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZb_Y95uCtI&feature=PlayList&p=42DAFF8ED4EB8DCC&index=0&playnext=1).
http://geocentrism.com/
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The last time you posted something on this topic, it was a video of some one who didn't even understand the difference between revolution and rotation.
There are two scientific proofs that the Earth rev around the Sun-- Newton and Bradley. Only one of these is really needed. This is in addition to the hypothesis of Copernicus which says Earth rev around the Sun.
" If Copernicanism( or any part of it-- my note) were verified, then it would be necessary to use careful consideration in explaining the Scriptures that seemed contrary and we should rather have to say that we don't understand them than to say something is false which has been proven".
Just a reminder that the belief Sun rev around the Earth is in contradiction to the Gregorian Calendar of the Roman Church and was believed by the heretics Luther, Bacon, Calvin, Zwingli and James 1
There is nothing in the Universe which is stationary and we do not even know if there is such a place as the physical center of the Universe, much less where it is.
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The Copernicanism quote is from Card Bellarmino.
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Of course you will deny his authority on the grounds he is a BoD heretic or some such.
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Where have I gossip?
I wasn't addressing this to you.
...it is not fitting for a monk to watch television in a monastery.
This is a true statement.
Your post is very ironic.
Why? Do I gossip?
Oh I am sorry then. No, I was referring to heretical and schismatic part, at least schismatic.
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'Do I gossip?'
You spread a nasty rumor re: St Alphonsus and I will remain skeptical of you for that reason as well as the Sun around Earth obstinacy. I might as well add that Pius XI(XII) and XII(XIII) are true Popes which you do not believe.
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This rumor you spread re: St Alphonsus was complete with sɛҳuąƖly explicit filth which could never have come from the thoughts of thsi Saint.
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Vladimir, if your idea of schismatic is rejecting someone who claims to be pope on account of his being a bold, public, unrepented heretic, then I really have nothing much to say to you, except that it seems rationality has flown the coop in your neck of the woods, I'm afraid, and it's really too bad.
Roscoe, thank you for the admonition (re: St. Alphonsus). I was an idiot. I take it back. I never read those remarks of his, rather I was going by what someone I had trusted told me. Another example of my foolishness in not doing my own due diligence, an example which I will not repeat. Please do note, however, that (tardy as it was) I made an effort to amend this mistake. I agree that based on this man's writings it is completely absurd to think he ever taught those things I said. The teachings of baptism of desire attributed to him, however are wrong.
Now, you can be as skeptical of me as you like, that's fine, and it is completely just, HOWEVER, that doesn't give you the right to reject the correct Catholic positions that I hold, which are based on sound theology, ie; God at the top and men at the bottom.
And speaking of which, sun around the earth obstinacy?
How quickly do you forget that we are never to interpret the Scriptures in a way contrary to the unanimous consent of the Fathers? None of them even hinted that the various passages speaking of the motion of the sun might be only figurative, but they all (including a pope, hence Universal and Ordinary Magisterium) spoke of them as though they expressed literal events. Not to mention science backs it up. I guess this will have to be my next post, as I've been directed to some interesting material concerning this topic (geocentrism).
O what a world we live in, where people doubt and deny the Word of God left right and center!
Everybody, needs to examine their positions, take them to their logical conclusions, and see if their positions hold up, if they are tenable, if they are Catholic. They need to examine them from as many possible angles as they can, and once they find a chink in their armour, so to speak, amend the position, rejecting the errors and embracing the Truth. God's Word is the truth, as found in Scripture and Tradition, and in the dogmas which are proposed by the Church as matters to be believed as divinely revealed, whether by Her solemn judgment or in Her Ordinary and Universal Magisterium. This Truth has no chinks in It's armour.
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Quote Roscoe
This rumor you spread re: St Alphonsus was complete with sɛҳuąƖly explicit filth which could never have come from the thoughts of thsi Saint.
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Bad Joke : - Sounds like a gαy lisp . (thsi )
Sorry, that was in bad taste, but I blame St. Alphonsus for the likes of Fr. Grunner. If Fr. Grunner had built on the foundation of the words of Jesus instead of the quicksand of Fatima, the fight against apostasy would have had a chance. We were warned : To deceive even the elect, if it were possible.
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Somewhat trivial to make a big deal out of a spelling error. Is that all you have?