When one looks at the timeline of events with the CMRI, it indicates that the organization expelled Schuckhardt, then sought conditional ordinations, then was given a bishop through a Thuc-line bishop (Bishop Carmona), then (or around the same time) established a Rule which was approved by another Thuc-line bishop which formally established the Congregation.

I date the CMRI from the establishment of its Rule rather than the chaos of the Schuckhardt days.  The pre-history of the CMRI is what will keep them from becoming cultish in the future as some traditional communities seem to do.  Those elder days were shameful, but they are not the foundation upon which the CMRI is, today, built.

I'm more ashamed of Paul VI than I ever could be of Schuckhardt!

Hobbledehoy,

What of questioning the CMRI's *charism* because of the founder/Schuckhardt? (As opposed to the validity of Holy Orders, which very well seems settled)

As others have noted, the Schuckhardt affair only serves to illustrate that it was Our Lady herself who was guiding the CMRI because they gave themselves over to total consecration and the perfect renewal of Baptismal vows according to the spiritual doctrine of St. Louis-Marie, and conformed themselves to the spirit thereof. It behooved Our Lady to show her predilect servants that they are not to rely on anyone other than her in order to continue an apostolate that was truly geared to the greater glory of God and the salvation of souls, and so it was permitted by the elegance of God's inscrutable wisdom that things happened the way they did at the Mount.

Their charism consists in adapting True Devotion to their vocation as Priests and spiritual directors, and by word as well as by as example (above all, by example) to attract interior souls to this sublime form of spirituality.

As has been noted in times past, the fecundity of the CMRI consists in what St. Louis-Marie adequately named the "the Secret of Mary."

For all intents and purposes, I regard their spiritual founder as St. Louis-Marie, whose example the CMRI Fathers have endeavored to emulate; Schuckhardt being an irrelevant footnote in the grand scheme of things, at best serving as a reminder that no human effort can be trusted outside of the patronage and tutelage of the Mother of God.

Even Rev. Fr. Chicone, whose courageous endeavors re-established the CMRI and contributed to its reparation from Schuckhardt's damage, would himself confess that he was a mere instrument of Our Lady.

Any CMRI Priest would also say the same. "We are just trying to do God's Will." "God alone," is what they say. At least this has been my experience.

Hobbles, you've been very patient and helpful.

Thank you.

Just as a footnote, I don't believe Bishop Sanborn received his consecration from Dolan.

Here is more information about them;
The Congregation of Mary Immaculate Queen (CMRI) (Latin: Congregatio Mariae Reginae Immaculatae) is a Sedevacantist Traditionalist Catholic religious congregation that rejects the authority of the recent Popes, including Benedict XVI,[1] and is dedicated to promoting the message of Our Lady of Fatima and devotion to the Virgin Mary according to the teachings of St. Louis-Marie Grignion de Montfort, whom they regard as their spiritual founder. Over the years, the Congregation has also been known as the Fatima Crusaders and Oblates of Mary Immaculate Queen of the Universe.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Congregation_of_Mary_Immaculate_Queen

Poche, what is your native language?

why?

You're quite welcome, Iuvenalis and Magdalena. Thanks also to Myrna and Emerentiana.

Just as a footnote, I don't believe Bishop Sanborn received his consecration from Dolan.

It was Bp. McKenna who consecrated Bp. Dolan, if I'm not mistaken. I forgot the date of the consecration.