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Frs. Altamira & Pierre Roy to be consecrated
« on: November 12, 2023, 07:49:10 PM »
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  • Several sources have announced that two priests that were ordained for the SSPX will be consecrated bishops in the weeks to come.

     You may remember Fr. Altamira got a lot of attention when he left the SSPX to join the resistance and took a large number of his priory with him in Colombia several years back.The story was covered enthusiastically by Non Possumus.

    Fr. Pierre Roy had also left the SSPX to work with the resistance in Europe. Both priests later left the resistance and aligned themselves with sedevacantist groups. It seems that the resistance was only a transitional group for these priests which led them to the position of sede vacante. In the case of Fr. Roy, he may have made an impression on seminarians while in the resistance which led to his up and coming consecration actually. Interesting how that turns out. 

    The consecrating bishop will be Bishop Rodrigo da Silva, ordained himself by Bishop Williamson and consecrated by the late Bishop Dolan. Bishop da Silva has already consecrated Bishop Charles McGuire (who now leads Saint Gertrude the Great and its mission chapels) and Bishop da Silva was the co-consecrator for the Nigerian Bishop Nkamuke.

    Seems like the resistance seminary in France is the gift that just keeps on giving. 

    The date and time of the consecration has not yet been announced but probably will be in Brazil although Mexico had been considered given the large number of growing Sedevacantist churches in Mexico. 

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    Re: Frs. Altamira & Pierre Roy to be consecrated
    « Reply #1 on: November 12, 2023, 09:13:53 PM »
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  • In the case of Fr. Roy, he may have made an impression on seminarians while in the resistance which led to his up and coming consecration actually.


    Seems like the resistance seminary in France is the gift that just keeps on giving.
    I followed most of what you said -- that two independent sede priests will soon become bishops.
    However, you lost me on these two lines.
    Care to elaborate?


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    Re: Frs. Altamira & Pierre Roy to be consecrated
    « Reply #2 on: November 12, 2023, 09:29:10 PM »
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  • Several sources have announced that two priests that were ordained for the SSPX will be consecrated bishops in the weeks to come.

     You may remember Fr. Altamira got a lot of attention when he left the SSPX to join the resistance and took a large number of his priory with him in Colombia several years back.The story was covered enthusiastically by Non Possumus.

    Fr. Pierre Roy had also left the SSPX to work with the resistance in Europe. Both priests later left the resistance and aligned themselves with sedevacantist groups. It seems that the resistance was only a transitional group for these priests which led them to the position of sede vacante. In the case of Fr. Roy, he may have made an impression on seminarians while in the resistance which led to his up and coming consecration actually. Interesting how that turns out.

    The consecrating bishop will be Bishop Rodrigo da Silva, ordained himself by Bishop Williamson and consecrated by the late Bishop Dolan. Bishop da Silva has already consecrated Bishop Charles McGuire (who now leads Saint Gertrude the Great and its mission chapels) and Bishop da Silva was the co-consecrator for the Nigerian Bishop Nkamuke.

    Seems like the resistance seminary in France is the gift that just keeps on giving.

    The date and time of the consecration has not yet been announced but probably will be in Brazil although Mexico had been considered given the large number of growing Sedevacantist churches in Mexico.
    I hate to be "that guy" but, could you provide a source for what you are saying as regards to these two former SSPX Priests being ordained. I'd love to learn more about it.

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    Re: Frs. Altamira & Pierre Roy to be consecrated
    « Reply #3 on: November 12, 2023, 09:47:14 PM »
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  • I followed most of what you said -- that two independent sede priests will soon become bishops.
    However, you lost me on these two lines.
    Care to elaborate?

    Bishop Da Silva supposedly met Fr. Roy while at the resistance seminary in France. This is where the seeds of sedevacantism took root in the European reistance and spread across the Atlantic. Some priests were excluded by Bishop Faure, but at least two of the seminarians remianed. One of those was Bishop da Silva, who will now be consecrating Fr. Roy. 

    Of course, I have no sources to prove if that is not just mere speculation. 

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    Re: Frs. Altamira & Pierre Roy to be consecrated
    « Reply #4 on: November 12, 2023, 09:51:29 PM »
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  • There was a split between the "non una cuм" priests and the "una cuм" priests in France. Bishop Williamson, Bishop Faure, Bishop Thomas Aquinas and Bishop Zendejas refused to continue to collaborate with the "non una cuм" priests : Father Nicolas Pinaud (France), Father Pierre Roy (Canada) and Father Olivier Rioult (France). Therefore, these sedevacantists priests no longer work with the Resistance bishops.



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    Re: Frs. Altamira & Pierre Roy to be consecrated
    « Reply #5 on: November 12, 2023, 09:57:03 PM »
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  • I hate to be "that guy" but, could you provide a source for what you are saying as regards to these two former SSPX Priests being ordained. I'd love to learn more about it.
    Actually, old news. Cath Info is among the last to know. 

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    Re: Frs. Altamira & Pierre Roy to be consecrated
    « Reply #6 on: November 13, 2023, 08:03:14 AM »
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  • Actually, old news. Cath Info is among the last to know.
    The news regarding Fr. Roy is what is new. I can confirm that it is happening through sources who confirmed it with Bishop da Silva.

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    Re: Frs. Altamira & Pierre Roy to be consecrated
    « Reply #7 on: November 13, 2023, 10:21:42 AM »
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  • The consecrations are set to take place in Sao Paolo, Brazil during the first week of January, 2024. 


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    Re: Frs. Altamira & Pierre Roy to be consecrated
    « Reply #8 on: November 16, 2023, 07:12:17 PM »
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  • The official communique was released. 

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    Re: Frs. Altamira & Pierre Roy to be consecrated
    « Reply #9 on: November 19, 2023, 08:03:29 AM »
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  • Kind of an interesting plot twist, Bishop McGuire refuses to approve/condone the consecrations and announces the end of SGG's working relationship with Bishop Da Silva. 

    https://twitter.com/liturgicalife/status/1726207662596264014?t=r5RH6dxltjAGXvoND8K9zw&s=19
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

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    Re: Frs. Altamira & Pierre Roy to be consecrated
    « Reply #10 on: November 19, 2023, 08:06:12 AM »
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  • Bishop Da Silva supposedly met Fr. Roy while at the resistance seminary in France. This is where the seeds of sedevacantism took root in the European reistance and spread across the Atlantic. Some priests were excluded by Bishop Faure, but at least two of the seminarians remianed. One of those was Bishop da Silva, who will now be consecrating Fr. Roy.

    Seems like, for a cleric, becoming Sedevacantist is a recipe for promotion, a recipe for "greatness". Imagine being consecrated a bishop while still very young, around 30 years old. That totally wouldn't influence a person when choosing between sedevacantism and not-sedevacantism. ::)
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    Re: Frs. Altamira & Pierre Roy to be consecrated
    « Reply #11 on: November 19, 2023, 08:16:29 AM »
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  • Kind of an interesting plot twist, Bishop McGuire refuses to approve/condone the consecrations and announces the end of SGG's working relationship with Bishop Da Silva.

    https://twitter.com/liturgicalife/status/1726207662596264014?t=r5RH6dxltjAGXvoND8K9zw&s=19

    The priests of SGG, with the exception of Fr. McKenna, barely leave Ohio as I understand it. Not to mention they are linguistically inept to do so. If Bishop McGuire and his half a dozen priests cooped up in the house had visited Canada or Latin America within the last 5 years, maybe they would see the need more. Do they really expect one bishop from Brazil to take care of all of Latin America and Canada while they sip tea in West Chester?

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    Re: Frs. Altamira & Pierre Roy to be consecrated
    « Reply #12 on: November 19, 2023, 08:33:50 AM »
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  • The priests of SGG, with the exception of Fr. McKenna, barely leave Ohio as I understand it. Not to mention they are linguistically inept to do so. If Bishop McGuire and his half a dozen priests cooped up in the house had visited Canada or Latin America within the last 5 years, maybe they would see the need more. Do they really expect one bishop from Brazil to take care of all of Latin America and Canada while they sip tea in West Chester?
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    It seems that, instead of rushing out to say he doesn't approve because he doesn't know anything about the candidates, he might have learned something about the candidates and *then* issued an opinion. 
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    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).

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    Re: Frs. Altamira & Pierre Roy to be consecrated
    « Reply #13 on: November 19, 2023, 11:16:34 AM »
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    It seems that, instead of rushing out to say he doesn't approve because he doesn't know anything about the candidates, he might have learned something about the candidates and *then* issued an opinion.
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    Yeah, like the fact that da Silva has practically no traditional seminary formation, and flunked out of the SAJM seminary after the first year of spirituality, and was sent back to Santa Cruz.

    Not sure how/why +Williamson would ordain him after that, but he soon regretted it publicly.
    Rom 5: 20 - "But where sin increased, grace abounded all the more."

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    Re: Frs. Altamira & Pierre Roy to be consecrated
    « Reply #14 on: November 19, 2023, 11:25:48 AM »
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  • Yeah, like the fact that da Silva has practically no traditional seminary formation, and flunked out of the SAJM seminary after the first year of spirituality, and was sent back to Santa Cruz.

    Not sure how/why +Williamson would ordain him after that, but he soon regretted it publicly.
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    To be frank, I think this more likely the truth. Da Silva's consecration by +Dolan was viewed with significant skepticism for these very reasons.
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    "I don't know these men so I disapprove of these consecrations and dissociate with Da Silva" isn't a credible position. Ignorance of Altamira and Roy could be solved with a quick Google search (CI has plenty of info on both) or just picking up the phone. I don't believe that's the heart of the matter. 
    "Be kind; do not seek the malicious satisfaction of having discovered an additional enemy to the Church... And, above all, be scrupulously truthful. To all, friends and foes alike, give that serious attention which does not misrepresent any opinion, does not distort any statement, does not mutilate any quotation. We need not fear to serve the cause of Christ less efficiently by putting on His spirit". (Vermeersch, 1913).