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Offline Ladislaus

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E. Michael Jones -- EPIC FAIL
« on: January 11, 2024, 07:10:18 PM »
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  • I guess the only thing this guys knows about is Jєωs, and not a lick about Catholic theology.  Guy is totally clueless and hereby discredited.


    Offline josefamenendez

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    Re: E. Michael Jones -- EPIC FAIL
    « Reply #1 on: January 11, 2024, 07:25:17 PM »
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  • Yup- and he is doubling down on this.
     A strange hill for him to die on.


    Offline ElwinRansom1970

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    Re: E. Michael Jones -- EPIC FAIL
    « Reply #2 on: January 11, 2024, 07:54:53 PM »
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  • Jones holds a doctorate in English and has written several philosophical and historical works. He needs to keep to those fields where he has expertise and be silent in theology where he lacks competency.
    "I distrust every idea that does not seem obsolete and grotesque to my contemporaries."
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    Re: E. Michael Jones -- EPIC FAIL
    « Reply #3 on: January 11, 2024, 09:22:01 PM »
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  • Wow! I guess once you get on the slippery slide you just keep going down...

    Offline SimpleMan

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    Re: E. Michael Jones -- EPIC FAIL
    « Reply #4 on: January 11, 2024, 09:38:52 PM »
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  • I guess the only thing this guys knows about is Jєωs, and not a lick about Catholic theology.  Guy is totally clueless and hereby discredited.


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    Offline Viva Cristo Rey

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    Re: E. Michael Jones -- EPIC FAIL
    « Reply #5 on: January 12, 2024, 04:27:01 AM »
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  • No “straight” or celibate would ever support this communist docuмent.  

    Those unholy porn books written and made public.  How can anyone defend filth???  Priests, cardinals and bishops should stick to reading and promoting  the only book that is God’s word.  It’s a no brainer.   You should be outraged by anyone defending this manipulative docuмent.  

    It is sickening that during Christmas time as usual the Vatican has gαy sex on their minds.  The communist docuмent was strategically produced to promote blessings of Sodomy.  The synod was about promoting sodomy.  Papal visit to USA was about pushing sodomy. Most of the pontificate is about pushing anti Christian communist agenda and climate change.  









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    Offline Viva Cristo Rey

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    Re: E. Michael Jones -- EPIC FAIL
    « Reply #6 on: January 12, 2024, 04:51:09 AM »
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  • Jones holds a doctorate in English and has written several philosophical and historical works. He needs to keep to those fields where he has expertise and be silent in theology where he lacks competency.
    God doesn’t care about who has a doctorate or has written books.  Most Catholic celebrities who have degrees and have written books are the ones who don’t live their faith at all.  

    This Catholic online celebrity should know his faith and basic theology but chooses to reject theology and God’s word by supporting a docuмent written by a total pervert.   







     

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    Offline ElwinRansom1970

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    Re: E. Michael Jones -- EPIC FAIL
    « Reply #7 on: January 12, 2024, 05:37:07 AM »
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  • God doesn’t care about who has a doctorate or has written books.  Most Catholic celebrities who have degrees and have written books are the ones who don’t live their faith at all. 

    This Catholic online celebrity should know his faith and basic theology but chooses to reject theology and God’s word by supporting a docuмent written by a total pervert. 
    Women are to keep silent at the assemblies. For they are not permitted to speak, since the Law asserts that they are to be subordinate. (I Cor. XIV, xxxiv)
    "I distrust every idea that does not seem obsolete and grotesque to my contemporaries."
    Nicolás Gómez Dávila


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    Re: E. Michael Jones -- EPIC FAIL
    « Reply #8 on: January 12, 2024, 05:55:43 AM »
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  • So I think I pointed this out on another thread, where the thinking of Bergoglio here is consistent with Vatican II's perspective on false religions, where there's some good "in" them.  Jorge has repeatedly emphasized the positive elements in these relationships, e.g. "love", affection, kindness, etc. just as Vatican II emphasized the positive elements (and "truths") within various false religions.  When you're blessing the sodomite couple, you're not blessing the sinful aspects of it, but the positive aspects of it ... as if those can be blessed in isolation.  By these standards one could bless Satan, since philosophically evil is a privation of good, and pure evil cannot exist, and anything that exists has SOME measure of "good" in it.

    So we have the claim that the couple are being blessed in quantum "good" and not in quantum sinners.  Problem is that the term "couple" itself inherently entails the notion that these two could be "together" as they are, and when you bless the "couple", you're blessing the "union", which is intrinsically illicit and disordered.  It's the same thing with false religions.  Ah, yes, the Muslims believe in one God, so "part" of their religion is true, but the perverse framework and context in which that isolated "truth" exists distorts and perverts even their belief in one God.

    It's also related to +Fellay's characterization of Vatican II as 95% Catholic, failing to take into account the context in which these truths are being re-presented.

    But the overall context vitiates even the good or the true elements within a framework that's disordered, just as the evil of Satan vitiates his existence.

    Nevertheless, because Jorge states that priests can bless the couple, that means you're blessing them not as in quantum individuals, but in quantum "couples", and the notion of their being a "couple" is intrinsically disordered, so you're blessing an evil.

    I don't disagree that the Tucho porn is a bit of a side-show distraction, as the perversion of Tucho isn't a doctrinal matter per se, thought it does shed light on the thinking of Jorge to appoint such individuals to the highest positions in the Bergoglian Church while punishing those who show even a hint of orthodoxy.

    Offline Viva Cristo Rey

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    Re: E. Michael Jones -- EPIC FAIL
    « Reply #9 on: January 12, 2024, 06:57:54 AM »
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  • Women are to keep silent at the assemblies. For they are not permitted to speak, since the Law asserts that they are to be subordinate. (I Cor. XIV, xxxiv)
    Cath info isn’t church.  Maybe fools should remain silent.  

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    Even a fool, if he will hold his peace shall be counted wise: and if he close his lips, a man of understanding. Psalms
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    Re: E. Michael Jones -- EPIC FAIL
    « Reply #10 on: January 12, 2024, 07:04:12 AM »
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  • One way to highlight the distinction here.  If two sodomites came in for a blessing, if you're blessing individuals, you would confer two blessings, blessing Sodomite A first, and then Sodomite B second ... though even that could be scandalous.  And you would not bless them standing side by side and even (yuck) holding hands, with a single blessing for the two of them.  You're in effect blessing them in quantum couple, where the principle that unites them as said "couple" is sinful.

    Even apart from the theological considerations, the bottom line is that this takes a step toward regularizing the formerly "irregular" (and even that's a huge euphemism, making it seem like it's just lacking some legal technicality) and legitimizing sodomy, making it acceptable, whereas the Church should be calling out their sinful state and calling them to repent.


    Offline TheRealMcCoy

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    Re: E. Michael Jones -- EPIC FAIL
    « Reply #11 on: January 12, 2024, 07:37:50 AM »
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  • I tried to listen to him talk about his book "Logos Rising" in an interview on Computing Forever.  What a convoluted mess of word salad his talk was.  I turned it off because it was unintelligible.  

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    Re: E. Michael Jones -- EPIC FAIL
    « Reply #12 on: January 12, 2024, 07:57:20 AM »
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  • I guess the only thing this guys knows about is Jєωs, and not a lick about Catholic theology.  Guy is totally clueless and hereby discredited.



    I never was impressed by his writings before, now he shows himself to be dangerous fool.
    For what doth it profit a man, if he gain the whole world, and suffer the loss of his own soul? Or what exchange shall a man give for his soul?

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    Re: E. Michael Jones -- EPIC FAIL
    « Reply #13 on: January 12, 2024, 08:28:11 AM »
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  • I forget the source for this. The quote comes from an assistant of Fr. Gruner. I've posted it before on CathInfo, with the correct reference.



    Jones has specialized in anti-Jєωιѕн criticism for 40+ years, but he was extremely cagey on the h0Ɩ0h0αx for most of his public life.

    Here are references to the h0Ɩ0h0αx in various books of his going back a long way:













    I don't know what to make of Jones, other than that I've long distrusted him. He strikes me as someone who poses as anti-Jєωιѕн for pro-Jєωιѕн ends. I don't know if he's a crypto-Jєω and I don't really much care. He's also very shady on the subject of race.
    Some would have people believe that I'm a deceiver because I've used various handles on different Catholic forums. They only know this because I've always offered such information, unprompted. Various troll accounts on FE. Ben on SuscipeDomine. Patches on ABLF 1.0 and TeDeum. GuitarPlucker, Busillis, HatchC, and Rum on Cathinfo.

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    Re: E. Michael Jones -- EPIC FAIL
    « Reply #14 on: January 12, 2024, 09:14:28 AM »
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  • Jones has been a trainwreck in catholic matters for years.  The fact that he can write books and books on political infiltrations, blackmails, murder, etc but not see (or close his eyes) to the same things happening in new-rome, is just pathetic.