I would recommend you read the paper, past that "getting around this" is again not hard at all. They were never popes to begin with because of anyone of those reasons I listed above or for some other reason we do not yet know about.

Thanks again.

God bless you

And that is where it always ends up - "he was never pope to begin with."

 But the thing is, it takes destroying the entire legal structure of the Church to believe that - *after* doing all that, *then* it's not hard at all to "get around this." lol

I have to ask, but why? Why is determining the popes' status even remotely necessary? If he is pope - he's a heretic and we must contradict him. If he is not the pope - he's a heretic and we must contradict him.