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Re: Catholic Tradition on Religious Tolerance.
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    Re: Catholic Tradition on Religious Tolerance.
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    Re: Catholic Tradition on Religious Tolerance.
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    • Quote from: PapalTiara on Today at 07:06:24 PM
    Pope Leo XIII taught that civil authority is subordinate to the moral law and ultimately to the authority of Christ and His Church.

    The civil authority is made up of men; men are all subject to God's law; therefore, civil authority is subject to God's laws, and if they enact a "law" that is contrary to God's law, it is not a law in fact.  But Leo XIII does not say the civil authority is subject to the Church.  What he says, is that civil authority and ecclesiastical authority have diffrent objects(one temporal and the other spiritual) and each is supreme in its own domane  "Each in its kind is supreme, each has fixed limits within which it is contained, limits which are defined by the nature and special object of the province of each, so that there is, we may say, an orbit traced out within which the action of each is brought into play by its own native right." (Immortale Dei, n. 13)

    Leo XIII also talks about "mixed matters," which are matters that fall under both the ecclesiastical and civil authority, such as marriage).  In these cases, the two powers must work together, and if there is a conflict, the ecclesiastical power must work together.


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    In a truly Catholic society, civil authority would acknowledge Christ as King and recognize the Church’s supreme authority in matters of faith and morals.
    No disagreement on this point, but it still doesn't answer the question.


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    This means the state has no legitimate right to regulate worship or matters of salvation; these belong solely to the Church.
    Correct.  That is what it means in a Catholic state, and that is what it means in a secular state.  Do you think God confers authority in matters of religion on civil authority when it is secular and fails to profess the true religion,?  If you do, you have contradicted Leo XIII.


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    In a secular state like America, where Church and State are separated, we tolerate religious liberty out of necessity—not as a right to be embraced.

    Who is "we"?  If you are referring to the civil power in American, it doesn't tolerate false worship, since that implies it could do otherwise; the civil power in America has no authority over matters of religion.  As such, it must remain neutral, since the it lacks the authority to enact laws that limit it. The legal effect of remaining neutral is "religious liberty."


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    Tolerance in such a context is a practical concession, not a doctrinal ideal.

    Tolerance is not a practical concession in a secular state, but the doctrine ideal, because civil power has no authority in matters of religion.  And that is indeed Catholic doctrine.


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    Catholics must resist the idea that religious liberty, as promoted by liberalism, aligns with true Catholic teaching.

    Are you saying the civil power does have authority over religious maters?  If so, you are contradicting Catholic doctrine.  If you agree that it does not, the necessary result is religious liberty in a secular state, whether you like it or not.


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    True religious freedom exists only when Christ is recognized as King over society, and civil laws conform to His truth.

    That is true because "religious liberty" (which is required in a secular state) is not "true religious freedom," since true religious freedom is the freedom to practice the true religion.


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    Anything less fails to meet the Catholic standard of justice, as it rejects the rightful social reign of Christ the King.

    Completely false. Catholic doctrine demands, as a matter of justice, that civil authority not interfere in matters that concern the salvation of souls or the worship of God, since doing so would be an unjust usurpation of a power that belongs to the Church alone, as Leo XIII teaches.

    Since we are on the subject of religious liberty, you should know that you have no moral right to be spreading the errors you are professing regarding civil power.  By spreading these errors, you are offending Christ the King. And if this were a Catholic country, you could find youself on trial for heresy. 

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