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Bishop Antônio de Castro Mayer
« on: December 06, 2023, 09:03:41 AM »
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    • I never read up on the Bishop, and never knew much beyond his being at Econe with Archbishop Lefebvre for the elevation of Bishop Williamson, etc.


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    Bishop de Castro Mayer was especially outstanding for his refusal to accept the post-conciliar changes in the liturgy. Until his forced retirement in 1981 the traditional Latin Mass was celebrated throughout his diocese, along with all the other traditional Catholic practices and devotions—and he was to continue this battle even when replaced by Bishop Navarro. The majority of the priests in the diocese of Campos (336 of them!) resisted the Modernist orientations of the new bishop and remained faithful. Bishop Antonio was thus able to maintain a completely traditional "diocese" within a diocese, with around 40,000 faithful, which he organized in parallel chapels to protect the faithful from the enemies within.

    Bishop Antonio de Castro Mayer - District of the USA (sspx.org)

    A genuine ordinary who rejected the NO in his diocese until his retirement in 1981. And they never touched him. Cool.

    The bishop deserves a thread for sure.
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    Re: Bishop Antônio de Castro Mayer
    « Reply #1 on: December 06, 2023, 09:06:00 AM »
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    • Bishop de Castro Mayer letter on Novus Ordo Missae

    Bishop de Castro Mayer's letter to Pope Paul VI with respect to the publication of the Novus Ordo Missae

    Given at Campos, Brazil on September 12, 1969

    These two docuмents, the letter to Paul VI, and the attached explanatory comments were translated from Tradition: Doctrine-Actualite published by the SSPX's General House, pp. 23-29.

    Most Holy Father,

    After a close examination of the Novus Ordo Missae, which will enter into use on November 30 next, and after having prayed and reflected a great deal, I consider that it is my duty, as a Catholic priest and bishop, to lay before Your Holiness my anguish of conscience, and to formulate, with the piety and confidence that a son owes to the Vicar of Christ, the following request.

    The Novus Ordo Missae shows, by its omissions, and by the changes that it has brought to the Ordinary of the Mass, as well as by a good number of the general rules that describe the understanding and nature of the new missal in its essential points, that it does not express, as it ought to do the theology of the Holy Sacrifice as established by the Holy Council of Trent in its XXII session. The teaching of the simple catechism cannot overcome this fact. I attach below the reasons that, in my opinion, justify this conclusion.

    The pastoral reasons that could, perhaps, be invoked, initially, in favor of the new structure of the Mass, cannot make us forget the doctrinal arguments that point in the opposite direction. Furthermore, they do not seem to be reasonable. The changes that prepared the Novus Ordo have not helped to bring about an increase in the Faith and the piety of the faithful. To the contrary, they remain very disturbed, with a confusion that the Novus Ordo has increased, for it has encouraged the idea that nothing is unchangeable in the Holy Church, not even the Most Holy Sacrifice of the Mass.

    Moreover, as I indicate in the attached reasons, the Novus Ordo not only fails to inspire fervor, but to the contrary, diminishes the Faith in central truths of the Catholic life, such as the Real Presence of Jesus in the Most Holy Sacrament, the reality of the propitiatory Sacrifice, the hierarchical priesthood.

    I hereby accomplish an imperious duty in conscience by demanding, humbly and respectfully, that Your Holiness might deign, by a positive act that eliminates every doubt, to authorize us to continue using the Ordo Missae of St. Pius V, whose effectiveness in bringing about the spread of Holy Church and an increase in the fervor of priests and faithful has been proven, as Your Holiness reminded us with so much unction.

    I am convinced that Your Holiness’s fatherly kindness will bring to an end the perplexities that have risen in my heart of a priest and bishop.

    Prostrate at Your Holiness’ feet, in humble obedience and filial piety, I implore your Apostolic Benediction.

    + Antonio de Castro Mayer
    Bishop of Campos, Brazil


    Bishop de Castro Mayer letter on Novus Ordo Missae - District of the USA (sspx.org)

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    Re: Bishop Antônio de Castro Mayer
    « Reply #2 on: December 06, 2023, 09:39:12 AM »
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    • The Father gives his children spiritual poison.   Sign me up.  
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    Re: Bishop Antônio de Castro Mayer
    « Reply #3 on: December 06, 2023, 09:42:59 AM »
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    • Sounds like an exercism would have to be preformed before using the table of a novus ordo temple.
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    Re: Bishop Antônio de Castro Mayer
    « Reply #4 on: December 06, 2023, 09:51:55 AM »
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    • Am I correct in understanding that Paul VI just left Castro Mayer alone, and took no disciplinary action against him, a situation that continued under John Paul II until CM incurred the putative latae sententiae excommunication in 1988 for consecrating the four bishops?
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    Re: Bishop Antônio de Castro Mayer
    « Reply #5 on: December 06, 2023, 09:56:52 AM »
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    • Quote from: SimpleMan on December 06, 2023, 09:51:55 AM
    Am I correct in understanding that Paul VI just left Castro Mayer alone, and took no disciplinary action against him, a situation that continued under John Paul II until CM incurred the putative latae sententiae excommunication in 1988 for consecrating the four bishops?

    I'm just starting to read up on the bishop, but it's my understanding that they never took any formal disciplinary action against him.
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    Apoc 17:17 For God hath given into their hearts to do that which pleaseth him: that they give their kingdom to the beast, till the words of God be fulfilled.

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    Re: Bishop Antônio de Castro Mayer
    « Reply #6 on: December 06, 2023, 09:59:21 AM »
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    • Did Montini ever respond to this letter above?
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    Re: Bishop Antônio de Castro Mayer
    « Reply #7 on: December 06, 2023, 10:00:30 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on December 06, 2023, 09:59:21 AM
    Did Montini ever respond to this letter above?

    Very good question. 

    David White wrote a book about Castro Mayer, but it's out of print apparently. Too bad. 
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    Apoc 17:17 For God hath given into their hearts to do that which pleaseth him: that they give their kingdom to the beast, till the words of God be fulfilled.

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    Re: Bishop Antônio de Castro Mayer
    « Reply #8 on: December 06, 2023, 10:01:19 AM »
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    • Quote from: DecemRationis on December 06, 2023, 09:56:52 AM
    I'm just starting to read up on the bishop, but it's my understanding that they never took any formal disciplinary action against him.

    Not directly.  They force retired him in 1981, however, so this was before the consecrations.  Bishop de Castro Mayer relied upon the notion that V2 was a "pastoral" Council and held that in his diocese pastoral considerations weighed against it.

    By the time of the 1988 consecrations, he had become a sedevacantist.

    I do wonder why neither Montini nor Wojtyla moved to remove him.  I think that until Bergoglio started removing +Strickland, it was considered contrary to the principles of "collegiality".
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    Re: Bishop Antônio de Castro Mayer
    « Reply #9 on: December 06, 2023, 10:03:47 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on December 06, 2023, 10:01:19 AM
    By the time of the 1988 consecrations, he had become a sedevacantist.

    Did he ever reduce his thoughts in that regard to writing as far as you know?
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    Apoc 17:17 For God hath given into their hearts to do that which pleaseth him: that they give their kingdom to the beast, till the words of God be fulfilled.

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    Re: Bishop Antônio de Castro Mayer
    « Reply #10 on: December 06, 2023, 10:11:06 AM »
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    • Quote from: DecemRationis on December 06, 2023, 10:03:47 AM
    Did he ever reduce his thoughts in that regard to writing as far as you know?

    Not to my knowledge.  This is just related by apparently-reliable eyewitnesses, or, rather ear-witnesses.
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    Re: Bishop Antônio de Castro Mayer
    « Reply #11 on: December 06, 2023, 11:20:34 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on December 06, 2023, 10:01:19 AM
    Not directly.  They force retired him in 1981, however, so this was before the consecrations.  Bishop de Castro Mayer relied upon the notion that V2 was a "pastoral" Council and held that in his diocese pastoral considerations weighed against it.

    By the time of the 1988 consecrations, he had become a sedevacantist.

    I do wonder why neither Montini nor Wojtyla moved to remove him.  I think that until Bergoglio started removing +Strickland, it was considered contrary to the principles of "collegiality".
    If they forced retirement on him then it isn't different than Strickland.  Only difference is Strickland refused.
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    Re: Bishop Antônio de Castro Mayer
    « Reply #12 on: December 06, 2023, 12:03:44 PM »
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    • Quote from: 2Vermont on December 06, 2023, 11:20:34 AM
    If they forced retirement on him then it isn't different than Strickland.  Only difference is Strickland refused.

    Sure it is.  They got Bishop de Castro Mayer on a technicality when he he turned 75 in 1981, which Montini had set forth as a mandatory retirement age.  There was no notion of being deposed due to his being Traditional (although I'm quite certain they were happy to see him go).  Montini ordered mandatory retirement at the age of 75 in 1966, and that provision also became part of the 1983 Code of Canon Law.  So they got Bishop de Castro Mayer on a legal technicality, but did not depose him for teaching "contrary to the faith", as they alleged of +Strickland.  And, the reasons Jorge gave for why +Strickland was teaching contrary to the faith was based on Bergoglio's "teaching" that the Deposit of Faith is not static but can change.  In other words, they deposed him for not being a Modernist.
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    Re: Bishop Antônio de Castro Mayer
    « Reply #13 on: December 06, 2023, 12:23:42 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on December 06, 2023, 12:03:44 PM
    Sure it is.  They got Bishop de Castro Mayer on a technicality when he he turned 75 in 1981, which Montini had set forth as a mandatory retirement age.  There was no notion of being deposed due to his being Traditional (although I'm quite certain they were happy to see him go).  Montini ordered mandatory retirement at the age of 75 in 1966, and that provision also became part of the 1983 Code of Canon Law.  So they got Bishop de Castro Mayer on a legal technicality, but did not depose him for teaching "contrary to the faith", as they alleged of +Strickland.  And, the reasons Jorge gave for why +Strickland was teaching contrary to the faith was based on Bergoglio's "teaching" that the Deposit of Faith is not static but can change.  In other words, they deposed him for not being a Modernist.

    That's my understanding. It was a "forced" retirement simply by virtue of the mandatory retirement age. They didn't "get him" for keeping the Old Mass alive in his diocese without an "indult" or any such nonsense. Pretty remarkable. 
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    Re: Bishop Antônio de Castro Mayer
    « Reply #14 on: December 06, 2023, 01:52:18 PM »
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    • Quote from: DecemRationis on December 06, 2023, 12:23:42 PM
    That's my understanding. It was a "forced" retirement simply by virtue of the mandatory retirement age. They didn't "get him" for keeping the Old Mass alive in his diocese without an "indult" or any such nonsense. Pretty remarkable.

    Yes, I've long wondered why they just left him alone and didn't force the issue.  I got the impression that he used some of their own principles against them.  I think I heard (just verbally ... haven't seen it in writing) that, when he was asked about it, he said something along the lines of, "Vatican II was a pastoral Council.  I am the pastor of my diocese, and I don't see a pastoral need for the New Mass here."  So he used the idea that V2 was pastoral and the notion of collegiality against them.  To have deposed him on those grounds would have meant ripping the facade off the "pastoral" ruse and also would have taken the teeth off their principles of collegiality.  But I can't confirm and only heard this from a source I cannot recall many years ago.
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