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  • "The Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith has informed me, with a simple email, of the initiation of an extrajudicial penal trial against me, with the accusation of having committed the crime of schism and charging me of having denied the legitimacy of “Pope Francis” of having broken communion “with Him” and of having rejected the Second Vatican Council. I have been summoned to the Palace of the Holy Office on June 20, in person or represented by a canon lawyer. I assume that the sentence has already been prepared, given that it is an extrajudicial process."


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    Offline Godefroy

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    Re: Archbishop Vigano Accused by the Vatican of the Crime of Schism
    « Reply #1 on: June 20, 2024, 08:31:13 AM »
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  • This seems to the summer of major events. The SSPX announcing the neccessity to consecrate bishops, Rome planning to ban the True Mass and now Archbishop Vigano accused of schism. 


    Offline Ladislaus

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    Re: Archbishop Vigano Accused by the Vatican of the Crime of Schism
    « Reply #2 on: June 20, 2024, 09:09:05 AM »
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  • I'd simply respond:

    "Guilty" as charged ... with denying the legitimacy of Bergoglio, breaking "communion" with him, and rejecting Vatican II.  No need for any kind of process.

    Offline josefamenendez

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    Re: Archbishop Vigano Accused by the Vatican of the Crime of Schism
    « Reply #3 on: June 20, 2024, 09:56:06 AM »
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  •  Vigano's Episcopal re-consecration was with Bishop Williamson so he will always remain valid.

    Offline Meg

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    Re: Archbishop Vigano Accused by the Vatican of the Crime of Schism
    « Reply #4 on: June 20, 2024, 10:22:27 AM »
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  • In the article linked to in the OP, on the 4th paragraph from the bottom, +Vigano writes:

    "Fifty years ago, in that same palace of the holy office, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre was summoned and accused of schism for rejecting Vatican ll. His defense is mine; his words are mine."

    Actually, Archbishop Lefebvre, when summoned to the Holy Office, maintained his loyalty to the Pope in his defense. He did so again in written communications. So, Vigano's defense is not the same as Archbishop Lefebvre. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29


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    Re: Archbishop Vigano Accused by the Vatican of the Crime of Schism
    « Reply #5 on: June 20, 2024, 11:17:03 AM »
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  • In the article linked to in the OP, on the 4th paragraph from the bottom, +Vigano writes:

    "Fifty years ago, in that same palace of the holy office, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre was summoned and accused of schism for rejecting Vatican ll. His defense is mine; his words are mine."

    Actually, Archbishop Lefebvre, when summoned to the Holy Office, maintained his loyalty to the Pope in his defense. He did so again in written communications. So, Vigano's defense is not the same as Archbishop Lefebvre.

    I'm pretty sure he's referring to the charges of schism, where +Lefebvre turned it around them and said they're the one's in schism.

    What are you blabbering about here with "Loyalty to the Pope"?  +Lefebvre was clearly being "disloyal" in rejecting V2 and the Modernist reforms?  +Lefebvre was loyal to the Papacy but not to the "Pope".

    This is more of your psychological issue with +Vigano's SVism.  Both SVs and R&R are "disloyal" to the putative Pope but loyal to the Catholic Papacy.

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    Re: Archbishop Vigano Accused by the Vatican of the Crime of Schism
    « Reply #6 on: June 20, 2024, 11:19:41 AM »
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  • If +Vigano were smart, he'd try to spin this as retribution for having blown the whistle on Bergoglio's coverup of sex crimes by the hierarchy.

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    Re: Archbishop Vigano Accused by the Vatican of the Crime of Schism
    « Reply #7 on: June 20, 2024, 11:24:46 AM »
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  • This seems to the summer of major events. The SSPX announcing the neccessity to consecrate bishops, Rome planning to ban the True Mass and now Archbishop Vigano accused of schism.

    These events are probably connected. Let's wait and see if something big actually happens.:popcorn:


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    Re: Archbishop Vigano Accused by the Vatican of the Crime of Schism
    « Reply #8 on: June 20, 2024, 12:08:42 PM »
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  • In reality, Vignano is “guilty” of criticizing Pope Francis.  That is different from schism.  Wait until the kangaroo court date.  There, present the evidence.  Excommunication by Borgoglio & Co. is invalid, an honor, and releases Vignano to take certain actions heretofore unavailable to him.  

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    Re: Archbishop Vigano Accused by the Vatican of the Crime of Schism
    « Reply #9 on: June 20, 2024, 12:11:13 PM »
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  • What are you blabbering about here with "Loyalty to the Pope"?  +Lefebvre was clearly being "disloyal" in rejecting V2 and the Modernist reforms?  +Lefebvre was loyal to the Papacy but not to the "Pope".

    Archbishop Lefebvre clearly expressed his loyalty to the Pope as the main part of his defense when summoned to the Holy Office. Perhaps you don't want anyone on this forum to be reminded of that. So you will lie about it, as usual. 
    "It is licit to resist a Sovereign Pontiff who is trying to destroy the Church. I say it is licit to resist him in not following his orders and in preventing the execution of his will. It is not licit to Judge him, to punish him, or to depose him, for these are acts proper to a superior."

    ~St. Robert Bellarmine
    De Romano Pontifice, Lib.II, c.29

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    Re: Archbishop Vigano Accused by the Vatican of the Crime of Schism
    « Reply #10 on: June 20, 2024, 12:33:34 PM »
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  • The Vatican is in schism promoting sodomy as the norm in the Catholic Church.  Women aren’t to be pastors while neglecting the first church which is the home with obedience to God and a helper to her husband. 

    Barfly Bergolio is the schism.  He needs to open up his Bible and read it.  How can the hierarchy be so ignorant of God’s word?  No. They choose the world under satan.  Hell is hotter than climate change. 

    Loyalty to God not to some man who thinks he is a little god who worships mother nature.   





    May God bless you and keep you


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    Re: Archbishop Vigano Accused by the Vatican of the Crime of Schism
    « Reply #11 on: June 20, 2024, 01:30:23 PM »
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  • ATTENDITE A FALSIS PROPHETIS

    Announcement regarding the start of the extrajudicial criminal trial for schism
    (Art. 2 SST; can. 1364 CIC)


    The Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith has informed me, with a simple email, of the initiation of an extrajudicial penal trial against me, with the accusation of having committed the crime of schism and charging me of having denied the legitimacy of “Pope Francis” of having broken communion “with Him” and of having rejected the Second Vatican Council. I have been summoned to the Palace of the Holy Office on June 20, in person or represented by a canon lawyer. I assume that the sentence has already been prepared, given that it is an extrajudicial process. 

    I regard the accusations against me as an honor. I believe that the very wording of the charges confirms the theses that I have repeatedly defended in my various addresses. It is no coincidence that the accusation against me concerns the questioning of the legitimacy of Jorge Mario Bergoglio and the rejection of Vatican II: the Council represents the ideological, theological, moral, and liturgical cancer of which the Bergoglian “synodal church” is the necessary metastasis. 

    It is necessary for the Episcopate, the Clergy and the People of God to seriously ask themselves whether it is consistent with the profession of the Catholic Faith to passively witness the systematic destruction of the Church by its leaders, just as other subversives are destroying civil society. Globalism calls for ethnic substitution: Bergoglio promotes uncontrolled immigration and calls for the integration of cultures and religions. Globalism supports LGBTQ+ ideology: Bergoglio authorizes the blessing of same-sex couples and imposes on the faithful the acceptance of ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖism, while covering up the scandals of his protégés and promoting them to the highest positions of responsibility. Globalism imposes the green agenda: Bergoglio worships the idol of the Pachamama, writes delirious encyclicals about the environment, supports the Agenda 2030, and attacks those who question the theory of man-made global warming. He goes beyond his role in matters that strictly pertain to science, but always and only in one direction: a direction that is diametrically opposed to what the Church has always taught. He has mandated the use of experimental gene serums, which caused very serious damage, death and sterility, calling them “an act of love,” in exchange for funding from pharmaceutical companies and philanthropic foundations. His total alignment with the Davos religion is scandalous. Wherever governments at the service of the World Economic Forum have introduced or extended abortion, promoted vice, legitimized ɧoɱosɛҳųαƖ unions or gender transition, encouraged euthanasia, and tolerated the persecution of Catholics, not a word has been spent in defense of the Faith or Morals that are threatened, or in support of the civil battles of so many Catholics who have been abandoned by the Vatican and the Bishops. Not a word for the persecuted Catholics in China, with the complicity of the Holy See, which considers Beijing’s billions more important than the lives and freedom of thousands of Chinese who are faithful to the Roman Church. In the “synodal church” presided over by Bergoglio, no schism is recognized among the German Episcopate, or among the government-appointed Bishops who have been consecrated in China without the mandate of Rome. Because their action is consistent with the destruction of the Church, and therefore must be concealed, minimized, tolerated, and finally encouraged. In these eleven years of “pontificate” the Catholic Church has been humiliated and discredited above all because of the scandals and corruption of the leaders of the Hierarchy, which have been totally ignored even as the most ruthless Vatican authoritarianism raged against faithful priests and religious, small communities of traditional nuns, and communities tied to the Latin Mass. 
    This one-sided zeal is reminiscent of Cromwell’s fanaticism, typical of those who defy Providence in the presumption of knowing that they are finally at the top of the hierarchical pyramid, free to do and undo as they please without anyone objecting to anything. And this work of destruction, this willingness to renounce the salvation of souls in the name of a human peace that denies God is not an invention of Bergoglio, but the main (and unmentionable) purpose of those who used a Council to contradict the Catholic Magisterium and to begin to demolish the Church from within, in small steps, but always in a single direction, always with the indulgent tolerance or culpable inaction – if not the explicit approval – of the Roman authorities. The Catholic Church has been slowly but surely taken over, and Bergoglio has been given the task of making it a philanthropic agency, the “church of humanity, of inclusion, of the environment” at the service of the nєω ωσrℓ∂ σr∂єr. But this is not the Catholic Church: it is her counterfeit.

    The resignation of Benedict XVI and the appointment by the St. Gallen Mafia of a successor in line with the diktats of the Agenda 2030 was intended to allow – and has succeeded in allowing – the global coup to take place with the complicity and authoritative support of the Church of Rome. Bergoglio is to the Church what other world leaders are to their nations: traitors, subversives, and final liquidators of traditional society who are certain of impunity. Bergoglio’s defect of consent (vitiumconsensus) in accepting his election is based precisely on the evident alienityof his action of government and magisterium with respect to what any Catholic of any age expects from the Vicar of Christ and the Successor of the Prince of the Apostles. Everything that Bergoglio does constitutes an offense and a provocation to the entire Catholic Church, to her Saints of all times, to the Martyrs who were killed in odium Fidei, and to the Popes of all times until the Second Vatican Council. 

    This is also and principally an offense against the Divine Head of the Church, Our Lord Jesus Christ, Whose sacred authority Bergoglio claims to exercise for the detriment of the Mystical Body, with an action that is too systematic and coherent to appear to be the fruit of mere incapacity. In the work of Bergoglio and his circle, the Lord’s warning is put into practice: Beware of false prophets, who come to you in the guise of lambs, but who are ravenous wolves at heart (Mt 7:15). I am honored not to have – and indeed I do not want – any ecclesial communion with them: theirs is a lobby, which conceals its complicity with the masters of the world in order to deceive many souls and prevent any resistance against the establishment of the Kingdom of the Antichrist.

    In the face of the Dicastery’s accusations, I claim, as Successor of the Apostles, to be in full communion with the Roman Catholic Apostolic Church, with the Magisterium of the Roman Pontiffs, and with the uninterrupted doctrinal, moral, and liturgical Tradition which they have faithfully preserved. 

    I repudiate the neomodernist errors inherent in the Second Vatican Council and in the so-called “post-conciliar magisterium,” in particular in matters of collegiality, ecuмenism, religious freedom, the secularity of the State, and the liturgy. 

    I repudiate, reject, and condemn the scandals, errors, and heresies of Jorge Mario Bergoglio, who manifests an absolutely tyrannical management of power, exercised against the purpose that legitimizes Authority in the Church: an authority that is vicarious of that of Christ, and as such must obey Him alone. This separation of the Papacy from its legitimizing principle, which is Christ the High Priest, transforms the ministerium into a self-referential tyranny.

    No Catholic worthy of the name can be in communion with this “Bergoglian church,” because it acts in clear discontinuity and rupture with all the Popes of history and with the Church of Christ.

    Fifty years ago, in that same Palace of the Holy Office, Archbishop Marcel Lefebvre was summoned and accused of schism for rejecting Vatican II. His defense is mine; his words are mine; and his arguments are mine – arguments before which the Roman authorities could not condemn him for heresy, having to wait instead for him to consecrate bishops so as to have the pretext of declaring him schismatic and then revoking his excommunication when he was already dead. The scheme is repeated even after half a century has demonstrated Archbishop Lefebvre’s prophetic choice.

    In these times of apostasy, Catholics will find in Pastors faithful to the mandate received from Our Lord an example and an encouragement to abide in the Truth of Christ. 
    Depositum custodi, according to the Apostle’s exhortation: as the time approaches when I will have to give an account to the Son of God of all my actions, I intend to persevere in thebonum certamen and not to fail in the witness of faith which is required of each one who, as Bishop, has been endowed with the fullness of the priesthood and constituted Successor of the Apostles. 

    I invite all Catholics to pray that the Lord will come to the aid of His Church and give courage to those who are persecuted for their Faith.

    + Carlo Maria Viganò, Archbishop
    June 20, 2024
    S.cti Silverii Papæ et Martyris
    B.ti Dermitii O’Hurley, Episcopi et Martyris 




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    Re: Archbishop Vigano Accused by the Vatican of the Crime of Schism
    « Reply #12 on: June 20, 2024, 01:32:08 PM »
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  • This seems to the summer of major events. The SSPX announcing the necessity to consecrate bishops........ 

    This could be a watershed moment. It's not a question of who will be consecrated. That question is like asking who will win the 2024 presidential election. But who will do the consecrating? Now that will indeed be a telling spectacle. 

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    Re: Archbishop Vigano Accused by the Vatican of the Crime of Schism
    « Reply #13 on: June 20, 2024, 01:35:24 PM »
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  • "The Dicastery for the Doctrine of the Faith has informed me, with a simple email, of the initiation of an extrajudicial penal trial against me, with the accusation of having committed the crime of schism and charging me of having denied the legitimacy of “Pope Francis” of having broken communion “with Him” and of having rejected the Second Vatican Council. I have been summoned to the Palace of the Holy Office on June 20, in person or represented by a canon lawyer. I assume that the sentence has already been prepared, given that it is an extrajudicial process."


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    Wouldn't it be grand if Vigano simply flipped them the bird in public? 

    If he shows up (via proxy, because he's in hiding, right?), he loses by submitting to their non-authority. 

    If he flips them the bird, and ignores their nonsense, why, then, he is in the truth. :popcorn:

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    « Reply #14 on: June 20, 2024, 01:37:56 PM »
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  • If +Vigano were smart, he'd try to spin this as retribution for having blown the whistle on Bergoglio's coverup of sex crimes by the hierarchy.

    Yup, he should keep that talking point alive, and double down if he has the goods. The world groaneth and travaileth in pain, waiting for someone to finally do something bold.