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Re: Anyone familiar with Gerry Matatics?
« Reply #15 on: November 22, 2021, 07:19:07 PM »
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    • I've been interested in the guy since I heard his debate with John Lane and John Daly on sedevacantism. I see he does post a lot to his Facebook page. Does he have any books or articles somewhere one could read?
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    Re: Anyone familiar with Gerry Matatics?
    « Reply #16 on: November 22, 2021, 08:23:02 PM »
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    • To get more serious on the subject, I think Gerry's species of sede-vacantism is potentially dangerous to the Faith.

    His current Church crisis theory is that all TLM venues are invalid and that the Church's priesthood has been effectively decapitated.

    If you go onto this Facebook link, you can see where he debated Jim Condit recently on this topic.

    https://www.facebook.com/catholicapologist/videos/discussion-debate-with-jim-condit-jr-on-state-of-the-church-especially-the-burni/394936948729872/

    Condit appears to have whipped Gerry by showing historically there are Church precedents and Canonical safeguards to ensure survival of a Papal crisis like we have now.

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    Re: Anyone familiar with Gerry Matatics?
    « Reply #17 on: November 22, 2021, 10:36:46 PM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on November 22, 2021, 08:23:02 PM

    To get more serious on the subject, I think Gerry's species of sede-vacantism is potentially dangerous to the Faith.

    His current Church crisis theory is that all TLM venues are invalid and that the Church's priesthood has been effectively decapitated.

    If you go onto this Facebook link, you can see where he debated Jim Condit recently on this topic.

    https://www.facebook.com/catholicapologist/videos/discussion-debate-with-jim-condit-jr-on-state-of-the-church-especially-the-burni/394936948729872/

    Condit appears to have whipped Gerry by showing historically there are Church precedents and Canonical safeguards to ensure survival of a Papal crisis like we have now.
    I don't have 3 1/2 hours to watch just now, that would have to be an over-Christmas-break type of thing, but if Jim Condit can "whip" Gerry Matatics, that's quite an accomplishment.  They're both very intelligent, well-read men.  Clash of the Titans!
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    Re: Anyone familiar with Gerry Matatics?
    « Reply #18 on: November 23, 2021, 05:11:30 AM »
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    • Gerry Matatics gave up a very lucrative Protestant convert to Catholicism evangelist profession, to follow truth. He has I think over 12 children now. By their deeds you shall know them. Jerry Matatics has conviction of faith. I do not agree with him on the home alone stuff, but I respect him as man of conviction, a follower of truth no matter the monetary or social consequences. On the other side, I currently have little respect for the SSPX hierarchy for being the complete contrary of Jerry Matatics, for having no conviction, and following wealth, titles, popularity, and status rather than truth.
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    Re: Anyone familiar with Gerry Matatics?
    « Reply #19 on: November 23, 2021, 05:23:13 AM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on November 22, 2021, 08:23:02 PM

    To get more serious on the subject, I think Gerry's species of sede-vacantism is potentially dangerous to the Faith.

    His current Church crisis theory is that all TLM venues are invalid and that the Church's priesthood has been effectively decapitated.

    If you go onto this Facebook link, you can see where he debated Jim Condit recently on this topic.

    https://www.facebook.com/catholicapologist/videos/discussion-debate-with-jim-condit-jr-on-state-of-the-church-especially-the-burni/394936948729872/

    Condit appears to have whipped Gerry by showing historically there are Church precedents and Canonical safeguards to ensure survival of a Papal crisis like we have now.


    I'm not done with the video debate, but at the about 1:01:30 mark until about 1:12 Gerry gives a brilliant analysis of the crisis based upon Scripture and 1 and 2 Maccabees, Isaiah 22 and Matthew 16. When I said I was leaning Sede at times and implied I may adopt that view again, Gerry expresses very well why there - on the basis of the revealed word of God which addresses this end times aberration, which won't be found in the "manuals" or in the theologians of "indefectibility." 
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    Re: Anyone familiar with Gerry Matatics?
    « Reply #20 on: November 23, 2021, 05:27:48 AM »
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    • Quote from: DigitalLogos on November 22, 2021, 07:19:07 PM
    I've been interested in the guy since I heard his debate with John Lane and John Daly on sedevacantism. I see he does post a lot to his Facebook page. Does he have any books or articles somewhere one could read?

    Unfortunately, Gerry's not a writer, but a talker, a brilliant talker, sort of a Catholic Samuel Tyler Coleridge (thought STC was a brilliant poet/writer as well). 

    This is his outline, which is very good,  of his Sedevacantist position:

    https://www.gerrymatatics.org/GRIsGerrySede.html
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    Re: Anyone familiar with Gerry Matatics?
    « Reply #21 on: November 23, 2021, 06:02:24 AM »
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    • Quote from: DecemRationis on November 23, 2021, 05:27:48 AM
    Unfortunately, Gerry's not a writer, but a talker, a brilliant talker, sort of a Catholic Samuel Tyler Coleridge (thought STC was a brilliant poet/writer as well).

    This is his outline, which is very good,  of his Sedevacantist position:

    https://www.gerrymatatics.org/GRIsGerrySede.html

    That's not the article I meant, but this one:

    https://www.gerrymatatics.org/whythefactsversion1.html
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    Re: Anyone familiar with Gerry Matatics?
    « Reply #22 on: November 23, 2021, 07:52:41 AM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on November 23, 2021, 05:11:30 AM
    Gerry Matatics gave up a very lucrative Protestant convert to Catholicism evangelist profession, to follow truth. He has I think over 12 children now. By their deeds you shall know them. Jerry Matatics has conviction of faith. I do not agree with him on the home alone stuff, but I respect him as man of conviction, a follower of truth no matter the monetary or social consequences. On the other side, I currently have little respect for the SSPX hierarchy for being the complete contrary of Jerry Matatics, for having no conviction, and following wealth, titles, popularity, and status rather than truth.
    Agree or disagree with him, there is no question that he is a "man of conviction".  Incidentally, his wife died of cancer not too long ago.  I don't know how many children they had.
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    Re: Anyone familiar with Gerry Matatics?
    « Reply #23 on: November 23, 2021, 08:21:27 AM »
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    • I left Facebook.  To be honest it had an unholy start.  We should search for alternatives to liberal unholy social media. 

    So sad this man’s wife died. May she Rest In Peace.  (Maybe this is why he is a home aloner. ). 
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    Re: Anyone familiar with Gerry Matatics?
    « Reply #24 on: November 23, 2021, 08:52:28 AM »
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    • Quote from: SimpleMan on November 23, 2021, 07:52:41 AM
    Incidentally, his wife died of cancer not too long ago.

    And sadly, if I heard correctly, she didn't receive any Sacraments at her death because of Gerry's "home alone" position.  I'd be glad to be corrected on that if it's wrong.



    Quote from: Viva Cristo Rey on November 23, 2021, 08:21:27 AM

    So sad this man’s wife died. May she Rest In Peace.  (Maybe this is why he is a home aloner. ).

    No; he already was before she died, which is why he wouldn't let any priest give her the Sacraments. 
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    Re: Anyone familiar with Gerry Matatics?
    « Reply #25 on: November 23, 2021, 09:18:37 AM »
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    • Quote from: SimpleMan on November 23, 2021, 07:52:41 AM
    Agree or disagree with him, there is no question that he is a "man of conviction".  Incidentally, his wife died of cancer not too long ago.  I don't know how many children they had.

    I was following Gerry on his Facebook page during the beginning of the last stages of his wife's illness, before the cancer diagnosis, and through her death. He disappeared for awhile after that, and I haven't really followed him since. It was a painful situation to even witness from a distance, and he was very public about it. Not blaming him there in the slightest, btw; we are family, part of the communion of saints, and it's how he felt he needed to deal with it, and we should believe the prayers it called forth from other Catholics worked spiritual benefit for him and his wife. Anyway, it was heart rendering. And because of how open he is, you can't help feeling some kind of connection with him. Which is the way I think it should be, we being all part of the same body, the communion of saints and all.

    As I said, Gerry's a good guy, a faithful Catholic in heart and spirit (even if you think him in error) and I'm glad to see him acknowledged as such here. 

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    Re: Anyone familiar with Gerry Matatics?
    « Reply #26 on: November 23, 2021, 11:55:42 AM »
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    • Quote from: DecemRationis on November 23, 2021, 05:23:13 AM

    I'm not done with the video debate, but at the about 1:01:30 mark until about 1:12 Gerry gives a brilliant analysis of the crisis based upon Scripture and 1 and 2 Maccabees, Isaiah 22 and Matthew 16. When I said I was leaning Sede at times and implied I may adopt that view again, Gerry expresses very well why there - on the basis of the revealed word of God which addresses this end times aberration, which won't be found in the "manuals" or in the theologians of "indefectibility."

    Gerry’s early formation was Protestant bible school. He has it down pat and can reel off Scriptural quotes reflexively.

    In general, I hear a lot of Protestants rattling off Old Testament quotes, especially it seems... to bypass New Testament Scriptures related to the Sacraments.  

    For example, Forgiveness of sins (they don’t want to discuss the Sacrament of Confession) or the Holy Eucharist or Holy Orders.

    So when Gerry delves in Old Testament sources for his arguments, I’m not buying it.

    Secondly, I think Gerry has an agenda. He’s too smart and gifted not to know what he’s doing.

    I’m sympathetic to sede-vacantist arguments, but not when they lead to despair 😔

    The Dimond’s are selling the same schtik.  Oh, but their stuff is very interesting, seemingly traditional, but then their ultimate message is one of despair too.

    I think the truth is found in the perfection of moderation, or the “Golden Mean”, as Our Lady emphasized in The “Mystical City of God”.
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    Re: Anyone familiar with Gerry Matatics?
    « Reply #27 on: November 23, 2021, 11:58:49 AM »
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    • Quote from: PAT317 on November 23, 2021, 08:52:28 AM
    And sadly, if I heard correctly, she didn't receive any Sacraments at her death because of Gerry's "home alone" position.  I'd be glad to be corrected on that if it's wrong.



    No; he already was before she died, which is why he wouldn't let any priest give her the Sacraments.
    I don't know much about him but I could believe that.  Unless memory fails me, I recall seeing somewhere online that when one of his sons got married there was no priest--the couple exchanged vows before a group of witnesses.  Gerry has 10 children including a baby that died.
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    Re: Anyone familiar with Gerry Matatics?
    « Reply #28 on: November 23, 2021, 01:04:16 PM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on November 23, 2021, 11:55:42 AM
    Gerry’s early formation was Protestant bible school. He has it down pat and can reel off Scriptural quotes reflexively.

    In general, I hear a lot of Protestants rattling off Old Testament quotes, especially it seems... to bypass New Testament Scriptures related to the Sacraments. 

    For example, Forgiveness of sins (they don’t want to discuss the Sacrament of Confession) or the Holy Eucharist or Holy Orders.

    So when Gerry delves in Old Testament sources for his arguments, I’m not buying it.

    Secondly, I think Gerry has an agenda. He’s too smart and gifted not to know what he’s doing.

    I’m sympathetic to sede-vacantist arguments, but not when they lead to despair 😔

    The Dimond’s are selling the same schtik.  Oh, but their stuff is very interesting, seemingly traditional, but then their ultimate message is one of despair too.

    I think the truth is found in the perfection of moderation, or the “Golden Mean”, as Our Lady emphasized in The “Mystical City of God”.


    I don't know about any of that, nor does it particularly matter.

    All I know is, he cites the Scriptures and makes an argument, and I read the Scriptures and consider the argument on its merits.

    In this particular case, I think it's a strong argument. 
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    Re: Anyone familiar with Gerry Matatics?
    « Reply #29 on: November 23, 2021, 01:39:35 PM »
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    • Quote from: Incredulous on November 23, 2021, 11:55:42 AM
    Gerry’s early formation was Protestant bible school. He has it down pat and can reel off Scriptural quotes reflexively.

    In general, I hear a lot of Protestants rattling off Old Testament quotes, especially it seems... to bypass New Testament Scriptures related to the Sacraments. 

    For example, Forgiveness of sins (they don’t want to discuss the Sacrament of Confession) or the Holy Eucharist or Holy Orders.

    So when Gerry delves in Old Testament sources for his arguments, I’m not buying it.

    Secondly, I think Gerry has an agenda. He’s too smart and gifted not to know what he’s doing.

    I’m sympathetic to sede-vacantist arguments, but not when they lead to despair 😔

    The Dimond’s are selling the same schtik.  Oh, but their stuff is very interesting, seemingly traditional, but then their ultimate message is one of despair too.

    I think the truth is found in the perfection of moderation, or the “Golden Mean”, as Our Lady emphasized in The “Mystical City of God”.
    i am not sure where Mr Matatics stands on the Card Rampolla alleged OTO(LOL) controversy( which leads to despair because it is in fact an attack on the Church as a whole because it is an attack on popes Pius IX, Leo XIII, St Pius X, Cards Del Val, De Lai etc) but mr Incred holds the SAME POSITION as Dimonds re C Rampolla.:popcorn:
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