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Offline PapalTiara

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Re: Something sinister is afoot here
« Reply #60 on: November 11, 2024, 12:29:44 PM »
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  • Quote from: MegQuote from: Meg 2024-11-11, 11:09:34 AM
    Pretty sure that's not something new, but I gotta give credit to him for this thread. I do think that there is a coordinated attack on Cathinfo from the three usernames mentioned, and it is likely that they are the same person, or three persons working together. But I don't believe that he/they are any sort of traditionalist. Probably not even a Novus Ordo Catholic, as in not Catholic at all, though I could be wrong about that
    Intentional or not, their posts clearly reveal these objectives in action.

    The items in bold have supporting evidence; the others are speculative but, in my view, likely true.

    1.To flood the forum with content to “memory hole” or bury genuine discussions.
    2. To sow discord and division among forum members.
    3. To merge traditionalist and conciliar viewpoints subtly, diluting traditional positions.
    4. To discredit traditionalist voices by provoking exaggerated or extreme responses.
    5. To monitor and gather intelligence on traditionalist arguments and strategies.
    6. To discourage users by creating an atmosphere of frustration and distrust.
    7. To introduce gradual doctrinal errors under the guise of “reasonable” debate.
    8. To shift focus away from central issues by constantly steering discussions toward trivial matters.
    9. To normalize modernist or secular ideologies under a veneer of “reasonable Catholicism.”
    10. To demoralize traditional Catholics by creating doubt and confusion around traditional teachings and leaders.
    11. To shift accountability away from the Jєωs and redirect criticism elsewhere.
    12. To promote secular politics as the primary solution, downplaying or dismissing the need for a Catholic state.


    “It is not we who are in schism but the Conciliar Church." +Archbishop Lefebvre (Homily preached at Lille, August 29, 1976)

    “Obviously, we are against the Conciliar Church which is virtually schismatic, even if they deny it. In practice, it is a Church virtually excommunicated because it is a Modernist Church.” +Archbishop Lefebvre (One Year After the Consecrations, July-August, 1989)

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    Re: Something sinister is afoot here
    « Reply #61 on: November 11, 2024, 01:03:57 PM »
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  • Intentional or not, their posts clearly reveal these objectives in action.

    The items in bold have supporting evidence; the others are speculative but, in my view, likely true.

    1.To flood the forum with content to “memory hole” or bury genuine discussions.
    2. To sow discord and division among forum members.
    3. To merge traditionalist and conciliar viewpoints subtly, diluting traditional positions.
    4. To discredit traditionalist voices by provoking exaggerated or extreme responses.
    5. To monitor and gather intelligence on traditionalist arguments and strategies.
    6. To discourage users by creating an atmosphere of frustration and distrust.
    7. To introduce gradual doctrinal errors under the guise of “reasonable” debate.
    8. To shift focus away from central issues by constantly steering discussions toward trivial matters.
    9. To normalize modernist or secular ideologies under a veneer of “reasonable Catholicism.”
    10. To demoralize traditional Catholics by creating doubt and confusion around traditional teachings and leaders.
    11. To shift accountability away from the Jєωs and redirect criticism elsewhere.
    12. To promote secular politics as the primary solution, downplaying or dismissing the need for a Catholic state.
    This is an excellent list


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    Re: Something sinister is afoot here
    « Reply #62 on: November 11, 2024, 01:36:32 PM »
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  • Intentional or not, their posts clearly reveal these objectives in action.

    The items in bold have supporting evidence; the others are speculative but, in my view, likely true.

    1.To flood the forum with content to “memory hole” or bury genuine discussions.
    2. To sow discord and division among forum members.
    3. To merge traditionalist and conciliar viewpoints subtly, diluting traditional positions.
    4. To discredit traditionalist voices by provoking exaggerated or extreme responses.
    5. To monitor and gather intelligence on traditionalist arguments and strategies.
    6. To discourage users by creating an atmosphere of frustration and distrust.
    7. To introduce gradual doctrinal errors under the guise of “reasonable” debate.
    8. To shift focus away from central issues by constantly steering discussions toward trivial matters.
    9. To normalize modernist or secular ideologies under a veneer of “reasonable Catholicism.”
    10. To demoralize traditional Catholics by creating doubt and confusion around traditional teachings and leaders.
    11. To shift accountability away from the Jєωs and redirect criticism elsewhere.
    12. To promote secular politics as the primary solution, downplaying or dismissing the need for a Catholic state.
    Correct on every count.

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    Re: Something sinister is afoot here
    « Reply #63 on: November 11, 2024, 01:37:30 PM »
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  • Pretty sure that's not something new, …

    [sniff, wipes tear from an eye]





    :laugh1::laugh2::jester:

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    Re: Something sinister is afoot here
    « Reply #64 on: November 11, 2024, 03:17:46 PM »
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  •  This means that approximately 80% of the absolute worst persecution around the globe takes place in the name Islam.
    Most all of the revolutions and wars in Church history to the present time are/were funded and instigated by the Jєωιѕн, Masonic, communist cults. They play everyone, as though they are pawns on a chessboard, moving them around by propaganda and inciting violence and division. The greatest persecution is in the spiritual realm through heresies, ambiguity, double speak, and also using psychological warfare and mind control. So many souls are being deceived and following false christs straight to hell.  


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    Re: Something sinister is afoot here
    « Reply #65 on: November 11, 2024, 04:00:07 PM »
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  • I said Islamists are worse in current persecution, idiot, and that's an empirical fact, because no percentage share can be greater than 80%.
    Islam has made more Christian martyrs than the pagan Romans did.
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    Re: Something sinister is afoot here
    « Reply #66 on: November 11, 2024, 05:29:24 PM »
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  • When the Muslims get to ¼ BILLION, wake me up.

    (and that doesn't include the Jєωιѕн contribution to surgical and chemical abortion)

    https://archive.is/Gsnlb





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    Re: Something sinister is afoot here
    « Reply #67 on: November 11, 2024, 07:28:48 PM »
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  • It is that simple, Mark79's posting are not only in error, but they are also vulgar, he is a whacko... like I said, is there anything he doesn't blame on the Jєωs?

     I found some spoiled leftovers in the refrigerator, had a flat tire a few months ago, and the wind blew over a couple of my potted citrus seedlings. The Jєωs didn't do that. :laugh1:

    I don't like to use the term anti-semitic [so you will try to use a different meaningless slur, like "hate" and "persecute"]… the Germans did persecute and try to eliminate the Jєωs...

     Actually, to this very day there is no evidence that a "final solution" was ever planned or intended. If you dispute that, produce the evidence that even the JMFs have not been able to adduce. Otherwise, STFU.

    If you were honest, you'd admit that Germans were defending themselves against the same Jєωιѕн onslaught (e.g., economic cromes against humanity, mainstreaming of perversion, and ritual murder) that we are experiencing today.


    Of course we are to pray and work for the conversion of the Jєωs, not to persecute them though...

    While Sic Judaeis Non rejects "persceution," it allows wide leeway for self-defense and defense of our Faith.

    I have repeatedly posted the infallible, unchangeable, perennial teachings of Councils, Popes, Saint, and Doctors that you have repeatedly ignored… while instead you infer teachings that do  not exist and that are contradicted by Scripture and the Magisterium..

    Here are nearly 100 such verifiable references to
    Magisterium on the Jєωs: https://archive.is/nbt6S

    You are welcome to keep ignoring it and substituting your own "Magisterium of None" at your own peril. In contumaciously ignoring the Magisterium, you discredit yourself.



    St Paul implies [Oh really?  You claim an inference even though St. Paul explicitly contradicts you.] that they will be converted when the fullness of the Gentiles are converted...

    St. Paul explicitly states that a remnant will be saved:

    "And Isaias crieth out concerning Israel: If the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved.

    [Romans 9:27]

    "Even so then at this present time also, there is a remnant saved according to the election of grace.
    [Romans 11:5]


    I believe …

    Who cares what you believe? Practicing Catholics care about what the MAGISTERIUM believes.


    this will happen when the fulness of typology is unlocked both in the Scriptures and historically,

    See Scripture above: "remnant"

    as there are many mistakes Christians make today which they would not do if they had a proper Jєωιѕн understanding as St Paul and the Disciples did.


     Oh really???  You have hoisted yourself on your own petard.

    Catholics need a proper Catholic understanding, NOT a Jєωιѕн understanding!

    It is time to draw Matthew's attention to your promotion of outright Judaizing heresy.


    For example, it would never have occurred to them that we would make the mistake of using Leavened Bread for Holy Communion as the Eastern Rite and Orthodox do, for a Jєω such a thing would be out of the question (Exodus 12) yet the early Church had both and never clarified and still to this day try and retain communion with the Eastern Rite by keeping silent about it... which I would not want to force anything on my Eastern Rite or Orthodox brothers and sisters, nevertheless, the truth about this needs to be told.

    You've also got Michelangelo's sculpture of Moses with literal horns, another major mistake... for it prevents them from recognising the immense typology between Moses shining face and the Transfiguration of Christ... Aaron and St Peter etc.

    Yeast and sculpture are your defense???

     What utter bullshit; Yeast and sculpture are completely irrelevant to your heresies promoting (1) the universal salvation of Jєωs and (2) CAtholics should rely upon "Jєωιѕн understanding."


    God Bless

    I will draw Matthew's attention to your professed heresies.


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    Re: Something sinister is afoot here
    « Reply #68 on: November 11, 2024, 07:32:14 PM »
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  • It is that simple, Mark79's posting are not only in error, but they are also vulgar, he is a whacko... like I said, is there anything he doesn't blame on the Jєωs?

    I found some spoiled leftovers in the refrigerator, had a flat tire a few months ago, and the wind blew over a couple of my potted citrus seedlings. The Jєωs didn't do that. :laugh1:

    I don't like to use the term anti-semitic [so you will try to use a different meaningless slur, like "hate" and "persecute"]… the Germans did persecute and try to eliminate the Jєωs...

    Actually, to this very day there is no evidence that a "final solution" was ever planned or intended. If you dispute that, produce the evidence that even the JMFs have not been able to adduce. Otherwise, STFU.

    If you were honest, you'd admit that Germans were defending themselves against the same Jєωιѕн onslaught (e.g., economic crimes against humanity, mainstreaming of perversion, and ritual murder) that we are experiencing today.

    Of course we are to pray and work [more false piety] for the conversion of the Jєωs, not to persecute them though...

    While Sic Judaeis Non rejects "persceution," it allows wide leeway for self-defense and defense of our Faith.

    I have repeatedly posted the infallible, unchangeable, perennial teachings of Councils, Popes, Saint, and Doctors that you have repeatedly ignored… while instead you infer teachings that do  not exist and that are contradicted by Scripture and the Magisterium.

    Here are nearly 100 such verifiable references to
    Magisterium on the Jєωs: https://archive.is/nbt6S

    You are welcome to keep ignoring it and substituting your own "Magisterium of None" at your own peril. In contumaciously ignoring the Magisterium, you discredit yourself.


    St Paul implies [Oh really?  You claim an inference even though he explicitly contradicts you.] that they will be converted when the fullness of the Gentiles are converted...

    St. Paul explicitly states that a remnant will be saved:

    "And Isaias crieth out concerning Israel: If the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved.

    [Romans 9:27]

    "Even so then at this present time also, there is a remnant saved according to the election of grace.
    [Romans 11:5]


    I believe …

    Who cares what you believe? Practicing Catholics care about what the MAGISTERIUM believes.


    this will happen when the fulness of typology is unlocked both in the Scriptures and historically,

    See Scripture above: "remnant"

    as there are many mistakes Christians make today which they would not do if they had a proper Jєωιѕн understanding as St Paul and the Disciples did.


    Oh really???  You have hoisted yourself on your own petard.

    Catholics need a proper Catholic understanding, NOT a Jєωιѕн understanding!

    It is time to draw Matthew's attention to your promotion of outright Judaizing heresy.

    For example, it would never have occurred to them that we would make the mistake of using Leavened Bread for Holy Communion as the Eastern Rite and Orthodox do, for a Jєω such a thing would be out of the question (Exodus 12) yet the early Church had both and never clarified and still to this day try and retain communion with the Eastern Rite by keeping silent about it... which I would not want to force anything on my Eastern Rite or Orthodox brothers and sisters, nevertheless, the truth about this needs to be told.

    You've also got Michelangelo's sculpture of Moses with literal horns, another major mistake... for it prevents them from recognising the immense typology between Moses shining face and the Transfiguration of Christ... Aaron and St Peter etc.

    Yeast and sculpture are your defense???

    What utter bullshit; Yeast and sculpture are completely irrelevant to your heresies promoting (1) the universal salvation of Jєωs and (2) Catholics should rely upon "Jєωιѕн understanding."

    God Bless






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    Re: Something sinister is afoot here
    « Reply #69 on: November 11, 2024, 07:36:13 PM »
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  • I just sent this message to Matthew:


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    Matthew, please review this post from josh987654321 and my rebuttal: https://www.cathinfo.com/computers-and-technology/something-sinister-is-afoot-here/msg962134/#msg962134

    He has crossed the line of heresies into (1) professing universal salvation of the Jєωs in The End and (2) promoting a "Jєωιѕн understanding" of Scripture.


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    Re: Something sinister is afoot here
    « Reply #70 on: November 11, 2024, 09:47:32 PM »
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  • I just sent this message to Matthew:

    Another Judaizer creeps onto the forum :facepalm:

    They are like ticks on a farm dog. 

    Remember what an insidious and cryptic troll Poche was?  

    It took several members months to expose his judaizing and present the hard evidence.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: Something sinister is afoot here
    « Reply #71 on: November 12, 2024, 05:19:52 AM »
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  • Another Judaizer creeps onto the forum :facepalm:

    They are like ticks on a farm dog.

    Remember what an insidious and cryptic troll Poche was? 

    It took several members months to expose his judaizing and present the hard evidence.


    Poche does indeed come to mind. Poche's style also exhibited the extreme false piety and out-of-context quotes exhibited by josh987654321 (and the other two problematic accounts, MarkM and Striving4Holiness), but Poche's subversive ambiguity depended largely upon "one liners."

    Unlike Poche's ambiguity, josh987654321 has openly, repeatedly, and unambiguously stated his heresies (universal salvation of the ѕуηαgσgυє of Satan and Catholics need Jєωιѕн understanding). Rather than veiling his heresies in ambiguous one-liners and partial quotes like Poche, josh987654321 tries to bury his subversion in immense verbosity, irrelevant digressions, and outright word salad (a bit ironic for such a rabid Trumptard to share Kamala's style, eh?). Most importantly now, it may be interesting to speculate whether Poche has merely morphed into an older and more verbose heretic, but it is really just a sidelight.

    It is undeniable that josh987654321 has openly, repeatedly, and explicitly pushed his two heresies: (1) universal salvation of Jєωs in The End and (2) "Jєωιѕн understanding necessary for Catholics." 

    It is equally undeniable that josh987654321 has assiduously avoided admitting or discussing of the mountain of Magisterium contradicting his heresies. Such avoidance is not the mark of mere ignorance amenable to catechesis. Such avoidance is the mark of a committed stiff-necked heretic intent on subverting the Faithful.

    I call upon josh987654321 to abjure his heresies.

    I call upon josh987654321 to clearly and unambiguously admit that in The End only a remnant of Jєωs will convert and be saved.

    I call upon josh987654321 to clearly and unambiguously admit that Catholics need Catholic understandings, not Jєωιѕн misunderstandings.

    If josh987654321 cannot bring himself to succinctly and unambiguously affirm those Truths, he is a heretic.

    We must not allow him to hide behind verbosity, false piety, out-of-context or partial quotes, or word salad.



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    Re: Something sinister is afoot here
    « Reply #72 on: November 12, 2024, 05:53:06 AM »
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  • I call upon josh987654321

    Who are you? The Pope? lol

    First of all, you can call me names I don't care, (thankfully in this day and age you can't slander people as heretics and burn them at the stake like what happened to St Joan of Arc)... but the vulgar stuff needs to stop, the vulgar images and vulgar language... totally inappropriate.

    Secondly, if you didn't read universal salvation of the Gentiles out of that then you cannot read universal salvation of the Jєωs out of it either...

    Thirdly, you do need a Jєωιѕн understanding... Jesus was a Jєω, his entire ministry was preaching among the Jєωs, all his disciples were Jєωs and Christ came through this people precisely because of how he would complete it, Jesus obeyed all the laws. The great crime of the Scribes and Pharisee's is not only the rejection of their (and our) Messiah, but also the severing of the link between the new and the old... thus the Gentiles would make some considerable mistakes that no Jєωιѕн convert would make and the Jєωs who became Christians did not make such mistakes, St Paul did so well precisely because of his Jєωιѕн background and Jєωιѕн understanding.

    Like I said, the Michelangelo Sculpture of Moses with literal horns is another significant error, as it prevents them from linking the shining face of Moses with the Transfiguration of Christ. Leavened Bread is also another significant error (no offense to my Eastern Rite and Orthodox brothers and sisters, but it has to be said), for while 'Artos' is ambiguous, Exodus 12 most certainly is not, thus when Jesus sent St Peter and St John to prepare a Passover, there is no question about it, no leaven to even be in the house.

    There is much more typology to unlock which I am still learning and many of the early Church fathers knew, especially those with a Jєωιѕн background like St Paul and the Disciples. 

    Finally, like I said, is there anything you don't blame on the Jєωs? How about you take some personal responsibility and stop looking for scapegoats to blame literally anything and everything on, It's too much and you look foolish. The Jєωs ate my homework too lol, also, I don't care if I get banned, will probably be gone soon anyway given some of the laws being passed in my own nation, thankfully you lost and Trump won so platforms like X will still be around and they will not have as much power to censor speech.

    "Our Lady of Victory, Ark of the New Covenant, Co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix and Advocate, Pray for us."
    Banned user - beware any Conciliarist and/or Judaizing heresy(ies) in his posts.

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    Re: Something sinister is afoot here
    « Reply #73 on: November 12, 2024, 05:54:45 AM »
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  • As I said:

    If josh987654321 cannot bring himself to succinctly and unambiguously affirm those Truths, he is a heretic.

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    Re: Something sinister is afoot here
    « Reply #74 on: November 12, 2024, 05:55:45 AM »
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  • It is undeniable that josh987654321 has openly, repeatedly, and explicitly pushed his two heresies: (1) universal salvation of Jєωs in The End and (2) "Jєωιѕн understanding necessary for Catholics."

    It is equally undeniable that josh987654321 has assiduously avoided admitting or discussing of the mountain of Magisterium contradicting his heresies. Such avoidance is not the mark of mere ignorance amenable to catechesis. Such avoidance is the mark of a committed stiff-necked heretic intent on subverting the Faithful.

    I call upon josh987654321 to abjure his heresies.

    I call upon josh987654321 to clearly and unambiguously admit that in The End only a remnant of Jєωs will convert and be saved.

    I call upon josh987654321 to clearly and unambiguously admit that Catholics need Catholic understandings, not Jєωιѕн misunderstandings.

    If josh987654321 cannot bring himself to succinctly and unambiguously affirm those Truths, he is a heretic.


    We must not allow him to hide behind verbosity, false piety, out-of-context or partial quotes, or word salad.