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Offline WhiteWorkinClassScapegoat

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Re: Violence
« Reply #15 on: Yesterday at 02:36:08 PM »
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    Dan shall be a serpent in the way, a viper by the path, that bites the horse's heels so his rider falls backward. ~ Genesis 49:17

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    Re: Violence
    « Reply #16 on: Yesterday at 02:54:07 PM »
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    • Quote from: Gray2023 on Yesterday at 01:09:39 PM
    Guns don't work there.

     I think guns give you false confidence in yourself.

    Guns did not get me out of the situations.  God did!  My trust in God did.  Sharpen the right weapons people.  I think the devil has you extremely distracted.

    God tells us to be armed.

    But now he that hath a purse, let him take it, and likewise a scrip: and he that hath not, let him sell his coat, and buy a sword. ~ Luke 22:36
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    the 2nd Book of Esdras chapter 4 (Old Testament) (Nehemiah chapter 4)

    [1] And it came to pass, that when Sanaballat heard that we were building the wall he was angry: and being moved exceedingly he scoffed at the Jєωs. [2] And said before his brethren, and the multitude of the Samaritans: What are the silly Jєωs doing? Will the Gentiles let them alone? will they sacrifice and make an end in a day? are they able to raise stones out of the heaps of the rubbish, which are burnt? [3] Tobias also the Ammonite who was by him said: Let them build: if a fox go up, he will leap over their stone wall. [4] Hear thou our God, for we are despised: turn their reproach upon their own head, and give them to be despised in a land of captivity. [5] Cover not their iniquity, and let not their sin be blotted out from before thy face, because they have mocked thy builders.

    [6] So we built the wall, and joined it all together unto the half thereof: and the heart of the people was excited to work. [7] And it came to pass, when Sanaballat, and Tobias, and the Arabians, and the Ammonites, and the Azotians heard that the walls of Jerusalem were made up, and the breaches began to be closed, that they were exceedingly angry. [8] And they all assembled themselves together, to come, and to fight against Jerusalem, and to prepare ambushes. [9] And we prayed to our God, and set watchmen upon the wall day and night against them. [10] And Juda said: The strength of the bearer of burdens is decayed, and the rubbish is very much, and we shall not be able to build the wall.

    [11] And our enemies said: Let them not know, nor understand, till we come in the midst of them, and kill them, and cause the work to cease. [12] And it came to pass, that when the Jєωs that dwelt by them came and told us ten times, out of all the places from whence they came to us, [13] I set the people in the place behind the wall round about in order, with their swords, and spears, and bows. [14] And I looked and rose up: and I said to the chief men and the magistrates, and to the rest of the common people: be not afraid of them. Remember the Lord who is great and terrible, and fight for your brethren, your sons, and your daughters, and your wives, and your houses. [15] And it came to pass, when our enemies heard that the thing had been told us, that God defeated their counsel. And we returned all of us to the walls, every man to his work.

    [16] And it came to pass from that day forward, that half of their young men did the work, and half were ready for to fight, with spears, and shields, and bows, and coats of mail, and the rulers were behind them in all the house of Juda. [17] Of them that built on the wall and that carried burdens, and that laded: with one of his hands he did the work, and with the other he held a sword. [18] For every one of the builders was girded with a sword about his reins. And they built, and sounded with a trumpet by me. [19] And I said to the nobles, and to the magistrates, and to the rest of the common people: The work is great and wide, and we are separated on the wall one far from another: [20] In what place soever you shall hear the sound of the trumpet, run all thither unto us: our God will fight for us.

    [21] And let us do the work: and let one half of us hold our spears from the rising of the morning, till the stars appear. [22] At that time also I said to the people: Let every one with his servant stay in the midst of Jerusalem, and let us take our turns in the night, and by day, to work. [23] Now I and my brethren, and my servants, and the watchmen that followed me, did not put off our clothes: only every man stripped himself when he was to be washed.
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    Re: Violence
    « Reply #17 on: Yesterday at 02:55:26 PM »
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    • Quote from: WhiteWorkinClassScapegoat on Yesterday at 02:36:08 PM
    https://odysee.com/@defeatmodernism:c/pope-st.-pius-x-punches-people-in-the:8
    Do Saints have imperfections?  I mean St. John de Sales fought his anger and was looked at has having great discipline.  Just because a person is a Saint, does that mean that all their behavior is good?  Isn't their a Saint out their who was womanizer until his deathbed, but died for Our Lord and became a Saint?

    Jesus told Peter to put away his sword when they were arresting Him.  He took a minute and healed the ear of the Roman Peter attacked.  Isn't this what we are suppose to mimic?
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    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"

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    Re: Violence
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    Re: Violence
    « Reply #19 on: Today at 12:35:39 AM »
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    • Antifa Returns On Election Night, Causing Chaos In Downtown Seattle (click link to see videos)
    https://www.zerohedge.com/political/antifa-returns-election-night-causing-chaos-downtown-seattle
    by Tyler Durden

    Tuesday, Nov 05, 2024 - 09:45 PM

    The potential return of former President Trump to the White House appears to have sparked rage among far-left activists on Tuesday night. With Trump currently leading the electoral count at 214 votes to hαɾɾιs's 179, reports are surfacing from Seattle that show Antifa activists have mobilized.




    Ahead of the elections, National Guard troops were activated in Alabama, Arizona, Delaware, Hawaii, Iowa, Illinois, North Carolina, New Mexico, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Texas, Washington, Wisconsin, and West Virginia. Guardsmen in Colorado, Florida, Nevada, and Washington, D.C., are on standby.
    Earlier this week...

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    Re: Violence
    « Reply #20 on: Today at 04:16:48 AM »
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    • Fr. Haydock interprets our Savior's words to mean penances, mortifications and doing violence to the flesh, not to others. "Suffereth violence It is not to be obtained but by main force, by using violence upon ourselves, by mortification and penance, and resisting our perverse inclinations. (Challoner) Certainly it is great violence for a man to look for a seat in heaven, and to obtain that by his virtue which was refused him by his nature. (St. Jerome in St. Thomas Aquinas) The kingdom of heaven That is, the kingdom of heaven is to be obtained by mortification, penance, poverty, and those practices of austerity which John, both by word and example, pointed out. According to this interpretation, the kingdom of heaven means eternal life. Or the meaning may be, the kingdom of heaven is taken by the violent, because it is not now confined, as in the old law, to one people, but open to all, that whoever will may enter in and take possession of it. The kingdom of heaven, in this interpretation, is taken for the Church of Christ, for the gospel, and also for eternal life. (Menochius)" https://catenabible.com/com/5735e2b1ec4bd7c9723bf729

    Our Savior said those who live by the sword will die by the sword. We see both Hamas and Israel - Christless people - live and die with swords/guns rather than strive to live in peace. St. Paul counsels us, "If it be possible, as much as is in you, have peace with all men." (Rom 12:18) So the exhortation to "violence" in the Gospel must be interpreted as Fr. Haydock interprets it above, namely to do violence on one's passions, on one's sins, and one's evil desires, on the devil, the world and the flesh. Then one will have true peace within and without.
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    Offline WhiteWorkinClassScapegoat

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    Re: Violence
    « Reply #21 on: Today at 09:01:24 AM »
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    • Quote from: Gray2023 on Yesterday at 02:55:26 PM
    Jesus told Peter to put away his sword when they were arresting Him.  He took a minute and healed the ear of the Roman Peter attacked.  Isn't this what we are suppose to mimic?
    Jesus, Who is all-knowing, knew Peter was going to slash Malchus' ear and He allowed him to do it. He only stopped him after the initial strike because the Father's will had to take place. Christ allowed the slashing to not only show everyone present that He is the Messiah by healing the ear (so they might believe in Him), but also because the knifing was a justified act - a defensive maneuver to protect Jesus from an imminent, most egregious crime. If it was not justified, He would've commanded Peter not to do it in the first place. Using violence in self-defense is of natural law. God created natural law.

    And just prior to that incident, Jesus Christ knocked all of His captors onto their backs (John 18:6). This was an act of violence. Not only was this show of force signaling that He was the Messiah so they might believe in Him, but also because what they were doing was an injustice that deserved a violent response. Our Lord could've had a peaceful display of Him being the Messiah (like a bunch of doves descending from Heaven with roses in their mouths giving a rose to each captor) but, again, this injustice deserved a violent response.
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    My avatar is a painting titled Mother Mary with the Holy Child Jesus Christ (1913) by Adolf Hitler

    Offline Gray2023

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    Re: Violence
    « Reply #22 on: Today at 10:05:40 AM »
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    • With Jesus violence is a just thing, He is God and knows perfectly what is needed in each situation.  With men violence can be an emotional reaction,  they are human and do not know perfectly what is required in each situation.  My statements are to encourage people to get as close to God as possible, which means conquering self (applying most of the violence to self), so that in any situation they can hear how God will lead them.
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    1 Corinthians: Chapter 13 "4 Charity is patient, is kind: charity envieth not, dealeth not perversely; is not puffed up; 5 Is not ambitious, seeketh not her own, is not provoked to anger, thinketh no evil;"

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    Re: Violence
    « Reply #23 on: Today at 11:28:55 AM »
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    • Quote from: MarkM on Today at 04:16:48 AM
    Fr. Haydock interprets our Savior's words to mean penances, mortifications and doing violence to the flesh, not to others. "Suffereth violence It is not to be obtained but by main force, by using violence upon ourselves, by mortification and penance, and resisting our perverse inclinations. (Challoner) Certainly it is great violence for a man to look for a seat in heaven, and to obtain that by his virtue which was refused him by his nature. (St. Jerome in St. Thomas Aquinas) The kingdom of heaven That is, the kingdom of heaven is to be obtained by mortification, penance, poverty, and those practices of austerity which John, both by word and example, pointed out. According to this interpretation, the kingdom of heaven means eternal life. Or the meaning may be, the kingdom of heaven is taken by the violent, because it is not now confined, as in the old law, to one people, but open to all, that whoever will may enter in and take possession of it. The kingdom of heaven, in this interpretation, is taken for the Church of Christ, for the gospel, and also for eternal life. (Menochius)" https://catenabible.com/com/5735e2b1ec4bd7c9723bf729

    Our Savior said those who live by the sword will die by the sword. We see both Hamas and Israel - Christless people - live and die with swords/guns rather than strive to live in peace. St. Paul counsels us, "If it be possible, as much as is in you, have peace with all men." (Rom 12:18) So the exhortation to "violence" in the Gospel must be interpreted as Fr. Haydock interprets it above, namely to do violence on one's passions, on one's sins, and one's evil desires, on the devil, the world and the flesh. Then one will have true peace within and without.
    This is what I was talking about.
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    Re: Violence
    « Reply #24 on: Today at 11:41:10 AM »
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    • Quote from: MarkM on Today at 04:16:48 AM
    …We see both Hamas and Israel - Christless people - live and die with swords/guns rather than strive to live in peace. …

    …says the Trumptard who has been banging on about Christians dying at the hands of Muslims.

    It notices Christians dying when convenient and JMFs and Rags dying when convenient.

    A perfect match, Trump and MarkTard two people (?) who will say anything to get their "win."

    TINVOWOOT.

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    Re: Violence
    « Reply #25 on: Today at 12:25:33 PM »
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    • Quote from: Mark 79 on Today at 11:41:10 AM
    …says the Trumptard who has been banging on about Christians dying at the hands of Muslims.

    It notices Christians dying when convenient and JMFs and Rags dying when convenient.

    A perfect match, Trump and MarkTard two people (?) who will say anything to get their "win."

    TINVOWOOT.
    I am afraid to ask.  What does the last word mean?
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    Re: Violence
    « Reply #26 on: Today at 01:59:44 PM »
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    • Quote from: Gray2023 on Today at 12:25:33 PM
    I am afraid to ask.  What does the last word mean?
    There Is No Voting Our Way Out Of This.
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    Re: Violence
    « Reply #27 on: Today at 03:36:04 PM »
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    • Quote from: Mark 79 on Today at 01:59:44 PM
    There Is No Voting Our Way Out Of This.
    Thank you.  I feel silly that I didn't catch the acronym earlier.

    I do believe most of us know that.
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