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The Three Days of Darkness, and how Catholics should view Prophecy
« on: September 14, 2020, 11:48:05 AM »
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  • The creator of this video includes some quotes of what St. John of the Cross had to say on the subject of prophecy, and how this ties in to how we should view the prophecies concerning the TOD.
    I recommend it for anyone who spends a lot of time studying private revelation. 

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    Re: The Three Days of Darkness, and how Catholics should view Prophecy
    « Reply #1 on: September 14, 2020, 12:17:34 PM »
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  • What is TOD?  It's very frustrating when people can't be bothered to use whole words.
    "Let God arise, and let His enemies be scattered: and them that hate Him flee from before His Holy Face"  Psalm 67:2[/b]



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    Re: The Three Days of Darkness, and how Catholics should view Prophecy
    « Reply #2 on: September 14, 2020, 01:41:56 PM »
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  • I think the attention people give to prophecies about the Three Days of Darkness is misguided. It's nice to hear someone speaking against these sorts of prophecies for a change.

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    Re: The Three Days of Darkness, and how Catholics should view Prophecy
    « Reply #3 on: September 14, 2020, 02:20:53 PM »
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  • What is TOD?  It's very frustrating when people can't be bothered to use whole words.
    Sorry. That was me being an idiot. I should’ve made it TDD (Three Days of Darkness). 

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    Re: The Three Days of Darkness, and how Catholics should view Prophecy
    « Reply #4 on: September 19, 2020, 12:21:32 PM »
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  • IMHO, too much time is NOT being spent by Catholics on the 3-Days of Darkness (3DD) warning.

    To argue in support of 3DD being true, there are many Church sanctioned cross-references to it.

    It would come under the umbrella of “Chastisement”.   And to put that into context, the end of the 5th Age of the Church, which is now.  It is marked by an unprecedented “Chastisement”.

    Venerable Bartholomew Holzhauser has described the “Seven Ages of the Church” quite precisely.

    He pinpoints our era, “.. from the time of Pope Leo X to a strong ruler and holy pope.” And he calls it, “Status afflictionis et purgativus.”

    None of the other six Catholic ages refer to a “Purgation” like ours does.

    Other cross references to a major Chastisement are, Ecuador’s Our Lady of Good Success, La Salette and Fatima.  Many Holy Catholics and mystics have warned of it too.

    I would agree with the video presentation that we should not dwell on the mechanism of how and why 3DD will be implemented, but be prepared for it:
    (Blessed candles, window coverings, Rosaries, Images of Our Lady’s Immaculate Heart).

    3DD should give Catholics consolation that this evil world will be purged and cleansed, not unlike Sodom & Gomorrah.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: The Three Days of Darkness, and how Catholics should view Prophecy
    « Reply #5 on: September 19, 2020, 03:04:51 PM »
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  • IMHO, too much time is NOT being spent by Catholics on the 3-Days of Darkness (3DD) warning.

    To argue in support of 3DD being true, there are many Church sanctioned cross-references to it.

    It would come under the umbrella of “Chastisement”.   And to put that into context, the end of the 5th Age of the Church, which is now.  It is marked by an unprecedented “Chastisement”.

    Venerable Bartholomew Holzhauser has described the “Seven Ages of the Church” quite precisely.

    He pinpoints our era, “.. from the time of Pope Leo X to a strong ruler and holy pope.” And he calls it, “Status afflictionis et purgativus.”

    None of the other six Catholic ages refer to a “Purgation” like ours does.

    Other cross references to a major Chastisement are, Ecuador’s Our Lady of Good Success, La Salette and Fatima.  Many Holy Catholics and mystics have warned of it too.

    I would agree with the video presentation that we should not dwell on the mechanism of how and why 3DD will be implemented, but be prepared for it:
    (Blessed candles, window coverings, Rosaries, Images of Our Lady’s Immaculate Heart).

    3DD should give Catholics consolation that this evil world will be purged and cleansed, not unlike Sodom & Gomorrah.
    I'd take Ven. Holzhauser's prophecies with a grain of sand. He predicted that 120 years after the execution of Charles I, England would convert and do more for the faith than after its first conversion. This did not come to pass. He also predicted the Great Monarch would destroy the Mohammedan Empire, which in his day was the Ottoman Empire, but that has already fallen. A new one could come to be, but still in combination with the prediction about England it casts some doubt.

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    Re: The Three Days of Darkness, and how Catholics should view Prophecy
    « Reply #6 on: September 19, 2020, 03:21:53 PM »
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  • I'd take Ven. Holzhauser's prophecies with a grain of sand. He predicted that 120 years after the execution of Charles I, England would convert and do more for the faith than after its first conversion. This did not come to pass. He also predicted the Great Monarch would destroy the Mohammedan Empire, which in his day was the Ottoman Empire, but that has already fallen. A new one could come to be, but still in combination with the prediction about England it casts some doubt.

    But would you say, Vn. Holzhauser's interpretation of the Book of the Apocalypse on the concept of the Seven Ages of the Church is part of the Church Magisterium, as written and approved by Popes and Bishops?
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: The Three Days of Darkness, and how Catholics should view Prophecy
    « Reply #7 on: September 19, 2020, 04:44:34 PM »
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  • But would you say, Vn. Holzhauser's interpretation of the Book of the Apocalypse on the concept of the Seven Ages of the Church is part of the Church Magisterium, as written and approved by Popes and Bishops?
    I wasn't aware it had seen official approval. Then of course I'll take back what I said.


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    Re: The Three Days of Darkness, and how Catholics should view Prophecy
    « Reply #8 on: September 19, 2020, 06:32:54 PM »
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  • Just to hand on email:

    Anna Maria Taigi: a Great Chastisement & Three Days of Darkness by Margaret Galitzin
    https://www.traditioninaction.org/religious/g016_Judg-4.htm

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    Re: The Three Days of Darkness, and how Catholics should view Prophecy
    « Reply #9 on: September 19, 2020, 11:41:43 PM »
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  • I'd take Ven. Holzhauser's prophecies with a grain of sand. He predicted that 120 years after the execution of Charles I, England would convert and do more for the faith than after its first conversion. This did not come to pass. He also predicted the Great Monarch would destroy the Mohammedan Empire, which in his day was the Ottoman Empire, but that has already fallen. A new one could come to be, but still in combination with the prediction about England it casts some doubt.
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    "One of the predictions was that England would not have the Mass for 120 years, priest would not be able to say it under pain of death, after which England would convert and help to spread the Faith after its conversion, this seems to have been partially fulfilled for the prohibition of the Mass under penalty of capital punishment was enacted in 1658 and partially recalled in 1778." Source HERE.  

    Also, the bit about the Mohammedan Empire could refer to modern Turkey, as Erdogan has been pushing Neo-Ottomanism there for quite some time. 

    I think it is interesting to compare Ven. Holzhauser here to Girolamo Savonarola, as of Savonarola's many prophecies, quite a few came true, while others did not:

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    "At Brescia in 1486 Savonarola preached upon the Book of Revelation, the first manifestation of what was to become his obsessive preoccupation, an Apocalyptic interpretation of his own era. God would judge and punish society for its wickedness, he prophesied, and the regeneration of the Church would follow. Savonarola was prone to prophesy, and the number of his prophecies that were fulfilled is astonishing. Renaissance Society was indeed punished for its degeneracy by the Protestant Reformation, and the Church was indeed regenerated by the Counter-Reformation Popes beginning with Pope Paul IV. He also prophesied correctly that Lorenzo de Medici would shortly die, as would Pope Innocent VIII, that the sinful Medici tyranny would be overthrown by the French; that the Chair of Peter would be occupied by a simoniac; and that his own mission would last eight years after which he would be hanged, burned and his ashes cast into the River Arno. He foretold events that it would have been humanly impossible to foresee, such as the separation of two Dominican Congregations, those of Lombardy and Tuscany. He also prophesied that the Turks would be converted within ten years, that Rome would be taken, sacked and filled with desolation, and that the republic of Florence would disappear thirty-two years after his death. These prophecies were not fulfilled."

    From Michael Davies' talk on Savonarola, a transcript of which can be found HERE.


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    Re: The Three Days of Darkness, and how Catholics should view Prophecy
    « Reply #10 on: September 20, 2020, 06:38:25 AM »
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  • I've never heard any criticism of the "7 Ages of the Church" interpretation of the Book of the Apocalypse ?

    I have heard of a young SSPX priest debunk the 3-Days of Darkness, because he said it was not in Holy Scriptures.  (How Protestant the thinking!)

    But there is a cadre of Saints and mystics who have foretold of this temporal & spiritual blowout.

    The following link has a good recap of the Catholics engaged in the 3DD prophecies. 

    I was surprised to see Bl. Marie de Agreda was one of them.

    3 Days of Darkness summary
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi


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    Re: The Three Days of Darkness, and how Catholics should view Prophecy
    « Reply #11 on: September 20, 2020, 03:57:00 PM »
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  • It doesn't hurt to have Blessed Candles on hand. This cataclysmic event may be the way God destroys His enemies and prepares the way for the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary and the restoration of the Church.

    p.s. Lad, can you clarify the 5th, 6th and 7th ages of the Church? It seems I remember Bishop Williamson saying we are in the 6th age which began with the Protestant break and ends with the Chastisement.
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    Re: The Three Days of Darkness, and how Catholics should view Prophecy
    « Reply #12 on: September 20, 2020, 05:16:03 PM »
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  • It doesn't hurt to have Blessed Candles on hand. This cataclysmic event may be the way God destroys His enemies and prepares the way for the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary and the restoration of the Church.

    p.s. Lad, can you clarify the 5th, 6th and 7th ages of the Church? It seems I remember Bishop Williamson saying we are in the 6th age which began with the Protestant break and ends with the Chastisement.

    I believe that's correct, but I have actually not studied the ages of the Church in any great detail.  You probably know more about the subject than I do.

    I don't spend too much time on the end times, since I have enough to worry about; I could die tomorrow.  But it is helpful to me in terms of helping to understand this Church crisis, a comfort that God has foretold such a time as this.

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    Re: The Three Days of Darkness, and how Catholics should view Prophecy
    « Reply #13 on: September 20, 2020, 05:26:59 PM »
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  • Bp. Williamson has lectured on it at length.

    Here's the source from the Catholic Encyclopedia:


    This commentary, which Holzhauser wrote at Leukenthal, exists in several manuscript copies; printed in 1784 at Bamberg; in German in 1849 at Ratisbon by Clarus; in 1850 at Vienna. Holzhauser's idea is: The seven stars and the seven candlesticks seen by St. John signify seven periods of the history of the Church from its foundation to its consummation at the final judgment. To these periods correspond the seven churches of Asia Minor, the seven days of the Mosaic record of creation, the seven ages before Christ, and the seven gifts of the Holy Ghost. Since, he says, all life is developed in seven stages, so God has fixed seven periods for regeneration. The first age of the Church,

    • (1) the Status seminativus, from Christ and the Apostles to Pope Linus and Emperor Nero, is typified by the first day of creation "Spiritus Dei ferebatur super aquas", the gift of wisdom and the age from Noah. Similarly he treats;
    • (2) the status irrigativus, the days of persecution;
    • (3) status illuminativus from Pope Sylvester to Leo III
    • (4) status pacifitcus from Leo III to Leo X;
    • (5) status afflictionis et purgativus from Leo X to a strong ruler and holy pope;
    • (6) status consolationis from that holy pope to the birth of Antichrist;
    • (7) status desolationis from Antichrist to the end of the world.

    The central features of this commentary — the strong ruler and the holy pope, a favourite subject of medieval prophecy, as well as the division of church history into seven periods; the idea that the Holy Roman Empire is to be the last on earth, and Chosroes, the Persian king, the predecessor of Antichrist; the special significance of the 1260 days of Apocalypse 12:6, are borrowed from Joachim di Fiore (died 1202; cf. "Hist. pol. Blätter," CXVIII, 142). Still the commentary is considered an instructive and edifying book.
    "Some preachers will keep silence about the truth, and others will trample it underfoot and deny it. Sanctity of life will be held in derision even by those who outwardly profess it, for in those days Our Lord Jesus Christ will send them not a true Pastor but a destroyer."  St. Francis of Assisi

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    Re: The Three Days of Darkness, and how Catholics should view Prophecy
    « Reply #14 on: September 20, 2020, 06:00:42 PM »
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  • Clips from a conference that His Excellency gave on the Seven Ages of the Church: