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Offline Mr G

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Re: "Fratelli Tutti"
« Reply #15 on: October 07, 2020, 10:14:47 AM »
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    Re: "Fratelli Tutti"
    « Reply #16 on: October 07, 2020, 11:14:06 AM »
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    • Quote from: Christs Servant on October 07, 2020, 08:41:47 AM
    The post Vatican II canonizations are certainly a problem. I recommend reading Doubts about a Beatification by Patrick de La Rocque.

    Does he say canonizations are fallible?
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    Re: "Fratelli Tutti"
    « Reply #17 on: October 07, 2020, 11:35:50 AM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on October 07, 2020, 08:07:15 AM
    Probably one of the most powerful arguments in favor of sedevacantism is the "canonization" of Paul VI.

    Quote from: Christs Servant on October 07, 2020, 08:41:47 AM
    The post Vatican II canonizations are certainly a problem. I recommend reading Doubts about a Beatification by Patrick de La Rocque.

    Fr. Hesse addressed the issue of the Newchurch canonizations in this talk: 
    https://archive.org/details/FatherHesse/Fr.+Hesse+-+On+Post-Vatican+II+Canonizations+(Remastered).mp3

    Video clip taken from the very end of this conference in which he discusses the "three possibilities concerning these canonizations: 





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    Re: "Fratelli Tutti"
    « Reply #18 on: October 07, 2020, 12:20:12 PM »
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    • Quote from: Your Friend Colin on October 07, 2020, 11:14:06 AM
    Does he say canonizations are fallible?
    No, he says that canonizations are infallible, but that post Vatican II canonizations do not qualify as such due to the significant changes imposed.
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    Re: "Fratelli Tutti"
    « Reply #19 on: October 07, 2020, 12:21:03 PM »
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    • Quote from: StLouisIX on October 07, 2020, 11:35:50 AM
    Fr. Hesse addressed the issue of the Newchurch canonizations in this talk:
    https://archive.org/details/FatherHesse/Fr.+Hesse+-+On+Post-Vatican+II+Canonizations+(Remastered).mp3

    Video clip taken from the very end of this conference in which he discusses the "three possibilities concerning these canonizations:


    Nice!
    I will listen to it now.
    Fr. Hesse is always a delight to listen to, may he rest in peace.
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    Re: "Fratelli Tutti"
    « Reply #20 on: October 07, 2020, 12:33:44 PM »
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    • Quote from: Last Tradhican on October 06, 2020, 07:06:28 PM
    Just another Vatican II pope encyclical that I won't be reading. I am proud to say I have never read even one.
    This.

    I admit I made the attempt once or twice to read a V2 encyclical, but quickly realized the futility of doing such a thing. Aside from that, it is a danger to one's faith to read this new one or any of the V2 docuмents, except perhaps by the most staunch, strong faithed and learned trad who is reading them strictly to use them as evidence. 
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    Re: "Fratelli Tutti"
    « Reply #21 on: October 07, 2020, 02:22:51 PM »
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    • Quote from: Christs Servant on October 07, 2020, 12:20:12 PM
    No, he says that canonizations are infallible, but that post Vatican II canonizations do not qualify as such due to the significant changes imposed.

    Nah, this is completely wrong.  You merely have to look at the canonization formula used by the V2 papal claimants to "canonize".  There's an explicit appeal to the inerrancy of the Church, and an appeal to the Holy Spirit to protect the canonization from error.  If that isn't infallible, then it reduces infallibility to an absurdity.  There's never been any requirement for the protection of infallibility that the Pope exert x, y, or z amount of due diligence in the investigation process, and the infallibility is not a product of the diligence of men but of the protection of the Holy Spirit over the Church against error.  This is a ridiculous position, and an act of desperation from the R&R camp to explain the canonization of Monitini et al.  I've cited the formula, and if that isn't infallible, then there's absolutely no such thing as infallibility.  Did anyone research how thoroughly Pius XII investigated the Assumption before he proclaimed it a dogma?
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    Re: "Fratelli Tutti"
    « Reply #22 on: October 07, 2020, 02:43:15 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on October 07, 2020, 02:22:51 PM
    Nah, this is completely wrong.  You merely have to look at the canonization formula used by the V2 papal claimants to "canonize".  There's an explicit appeal to the inerrancy of the Church, and an appeal to the Holy Spirit to protect the canonization from error.  If that isn't infallible, then it reduces infallibility to an absurdity.  There's never been any requirement for the protection of infallibility that the Pope exert x, y, or z amount of due diligence in the investigation process, and the infallibility is not a product of the diligence of men but of the protection of the Holy Spirit over the Church against error.  This is a ridiculous position, and an act of desperation from the R&R camp to explain the canonization of Monitini et al.  I've cited the formula, and if that isn't infallible, then there's absolutely no such thing as infallibility.  Did anyone research how thoroughly Pius XII investigated the Assumption before he proclaimed it a dogma?
    Indeed it remains problematic precisely for the reasons you articulated.
    What is your view(s) on this then?
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    Re: "Fratelli Tutti"
    « Reply #23 on: October 08, 2020, 05:04:30 PM »
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    • Quote from: Ladislaus on October 07, 2020, 08:07:15 AM
    Boy it still sticks in my gut to see Paul VI listed as a "saint," the guy who caused more damaged to the Church than all the bad Popes in the history of the Church combined, with credible allegations that he ratted out bishops and priests behind the Iron Curtain and also was an active sodomite.

    Probably one of the most powerful arguments in favor of sedevacantism is the "canonization" of Paul VI.
    Something completely ironic is the fact that JP II beatified Bishop Theodore Romzha, a Byzantine Catholic Martyr from Romania who died due to Communists. He died in the Ukraine on November 1, 1947. So there is an actual chance that Paul VI helped to get him murdered. Imagine him getting canonized and there being a parish named after him that also has images of Antipope Paul VI in it.
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