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Author Topic: Immodest looks and remote occasions of sin mentioned on confession.  (Read 7927 times)

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  • I once made a confession and mentioned to the priest that I had seen some images on the internet with female nudity, but that I had not consented to any impurity. He considered it a mortal sin without making any further inquiries.

    He said as an example that if a woman in a bikini pops up and I click on it, I am already commiting a mortal sin.

    I discussed it no further and simply accepted what he as saying.

    But I have read a lot of old, pre-council Moral Theology manuals, and they all say that immodesty is different from impurity. I mean, I can look at a nude woman and not commit a mortal sin, if it is not a proximate occasion of sin to me and if I don't consent to any impurity.

    It is always a mortal sin to put yourself in a proximate occasion of sins of impurity, this much I know.

    The issue is that there are degrees to remote and proximate occasions of sin, and it largely depends on the individual and the circuмstances.

    My take is that the priest is being a rigorist, or is being overly simplistic because he probably thinks that I don't have a deep Moral Theology understanding.

    It is obviously better not to look at nude people, but I think that it is important to be able to differ mortal and venial sin.

    This is annonymous because I think that it is inappropriate to disclose our confessions.

    I would appreciate comments and discussion from people who have a deeper knowledge of Moral Theology.

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    Re: Immodest looks and remote occasions of sin mentioned on confession.
    « Reply #1 on: January 31, 2024, 06:02:59 PM »
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  • It is always a mortal sin to put yourself in a proximate occasion of sins of impurity, this much I know.

    Is this really the case? Some websites I go to for news have a risk of people randomly posting porn in the comments, making it an occasion of sin. Even if I scroll past it would it be a mortal sin?


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    Re: Immodest looks and remote occasions of sin mentioned on confession.
    « Reply #2 on: January 31, 2024, 06:04:56 PM »
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  • I mean if you watched a movie and there was nudity, would that be a mortal sin if you wanted to finish the movie? 

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    Re: Immodest looks and remote occasions of sin mentioned on confession.
    « Reply #3 on: January 31, 2024, 06:05:08 PM »
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  • If you are on the city bus and a naked woman gets on the bus and sits down and you happen to see her, then you close your eyes and don't open them til she gets off the bus you have not committed mortal sin.

    If you walk into a strip club and sit down at the bar and don't look at the stage where the dancers are, finish your drink and walk out, you have committed mortal sin

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    Re: Immodest looks and remote occasions of sin mentioned on confession.
    « Reply #4 on: January 31, 2024, 06:06:10 PM »
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  • Every browser comes with free popup and porn blockers that you can enable. You're using this as an excuse to willingly look at pornography. Shame on you.


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    Re: Immodest looks and remote occasions of sin mentioned on confession.
    « Reply #5 on: January 31, 2024, 06:07:39 PM »
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  • I mean if you watched a movie and there was nudity, would that be a mortal sin if you wanted to finish the movie?
    Yes

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    Re: Immodest looks and remote occasions of sin mentioned on confession.
    « Reply #6 on: January 31, 2024, 06:08:34 PM »
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  • Is this really the case? Some websites I go to for news have a risk of people randomly posting porn in the comments, making it an occasion of sin. Even if I scroll past it would it be a mortal sin?
    Why can't you choose better quality news sites?

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    Re: Immodest looks and remote occasions of sin mentioned on confession.
    « Reply #7 on: January 31, 2024, 06:14:39 PM »
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  • Is this really the case? Some websites I go to for news have a risk of people randomly posting porn in the comments, making it an occasion of sin. Even if I scroll past it would it be a mortal sin?
    I believe I have read that very immodestly dressed or nude women (in this case, pornography) are always going to be a proximate occasion of sin for men because the proximity is "absolute", i.e., the vast majority of men will generally fall into mortal sin on that occasion.  
    That is why I stopped using 4chan, even the "safe for work" boards, because you could always count on at least one degenerate to post immoral pictures/videos


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    Re: Immodest looks and remote occasions of sin mentioned on confession.
    « Reply #8 on: January 31, 2024, 06:16:33 PM »
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  • I once made a confession and mentioned to the priest that I had seen some images on the internet with female nudity, but that I had not consented to any impurity. He considered it a mortal sin without making any further inquiries.
    In defense of the Priest, most often he will not have the time to try to extract every detail and nuance; when you bring up something touching upon impurity he's likely to assume that you are bringing it up because it was a mortal sin and that you are having trouble clearly expressing it as such.

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    Re: Immodest looks and remote occasions of sin mentioned on confession.
    « Reply #9 on: January 31, 2024, 06:20:30 PM »
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  • I believe I have read that very immodestly dressed or nude women (in this case, pornography) are always going to be a proximate occasion of sin for men because the proximity is "absolute", i.e., the vast majority of men will generally fall into mortal sin on that occasion. 
    That is why I stopped using 4chan, even the "safe for work" boards, because you could always count on at least one degenerate to post immoral pictures/videos
    My post.

    As a general rule of thumb, I just avoid anything online that could have immodesty or pornography. Use an adblocker like another user said, check parents guides before watching a show/movie, etc.


    If you had been of the world, the world would love its own: but because you are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you [John 15:108

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    Re: Immodest looks and remote occasions of sin mentioned on confession.
    « Reply #10 on: January 31, 2024, 06:22:51 PM »
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  •  It would be better for a man to never know what's going on in the political or economic world than to lose his immortal soul because of a need to look at websites that have immodest content.


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    Re: Immodest looks and remote occasions of sin mentioned on confession.
    « Reply #11 on: January 31, 2024, 08:08:27 PM »
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  • Every browser comes with free popup and porn blockers that you can enable. You're using this as an excuse to willingly look at pornography. Shame on you.
    This is nonsense. You cannot block individuals who post porn unless you block all images.. i do not want to see porn, there is no other useful sites for news, the internet is garbage full of bots

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    Re: Immodest looks and remote occasions of sin mentioned on confession.
    « Reply #12 on: January 31, 2024, 08:12:28 PM »
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  • I believe I have read that very immodestly dressed or nude women (in this case, pornography) are always going to be a proximate occasion of sin for men because the proximity is "absolute", i.e., the vast majority of men will generally fall into mortal sin on that occasion. 
    That is why I stopped using 4chan, even the "safe for work" boards, because you could always count on at least one degenerate to post immoral pictures/videos
    Yes or sometimes jews or discord trannies will spam post porn. Very frustrating as 4chan is more useful than majority of website on the modern internet.

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    Re: Immodest looks and remote occasions of sin mentioned on confession.
    « Reply #13 on: January 31, 2024, 08:15:15 PM »
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  • This is nonsense. You cannot block individuals who post porn unless you block all images.. i do not want to see porn, there is no other useful sites for news, the internet is garbage full of bots
      Even so nobody needs 4 Chan, 8 chan, 16 Chan, million Chan....these are excuses to read and view adult content and play innocent.

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    Re: Immodest looks and remote occasions of sin mentioned on confession.
    « Reply #14 on: January 31, 2024, 08:17:54 PM »
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  •   Even so nobody needs 4 Chan, 8 chan, 16 Chan, million Chan....these are excuses to read and view adult content and play innocent.
    Some of us enjoy anonymous posting because we get to judge the idea of something not based on respect of persons but solely from the idea itself.

    Does anyone know how to block specific website? I am unsure how to do this. If I can block 4chan it will stop be from going to it out of habit, the extra barrier should be enough to help.